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I am a Russian and I represent 146,000,000 people and growing. Few years ago the West has preached of demographic collapse of population in Russia. Few years past we are strong and we have nothing to fear from the world.


The narrative of the Aggressive Victim is the perfect distillation of 1990s post-imperial melancholia and post-Yeltsin jingoism: once brought to its knees, Russia is rising up against all the forces that would push it back down. Including the very forces that feel threatened by it.

Here the crusade against LGBT rights fits perfectly with Russia's expansionism into the territory of a neighbor it never quite believed was sovereign: no competing claims of victimhood can be tolerated. To the contrary, the enemy (whether internal, like predatory gays "recruiting" innocent children and liberal "fifth columnists" who dare complain about the new order, or external, like exhausted Ukraininans who dare to throw out the latest in a long line of elected kleptocrats and reject stronger ties with the RF) must always be transformed into a terrifying, and strangely familiar bogeyman (again like the Ukrainians, who, in a move straight out of the Milosevic playbook, have mysteriously waited six decades to reveal their true nature as Hitler-loving fascists). The sins of the Banderovtsy are visited unto the seventh generation.

The recent revival of a Stalinist opera as a patriotic crowd pleaser about the "liberation" of Crimea shares a logic with Channel One's report of an obvious urban legend as fact (the crucifixion of a three-year-old ethnic Russian boy by Ukrainian "fascists"). Even the downing of Flight MH-17 is part of a plot to discredit Russia: witness the assertion of one of the separatist leaders that the airplane was full of defrosted corpses rather than living, breathing human beings. Any evidence offered against the official narrative is simply a "provocation," and any allegation of Russia's wrongdoing is part of a plot against the motherland.

A healthy government can be relied on to reject conspiracy theories. An unhealthy government helps disseminate them. This is not to suggest that conspiratorial narrative is top-down -- far from it, the paranoid rhetoric of today's Russian media can be traced to the popular fiction of the past two decades. One of the leaders of the Eastern Ukrainian separatists is an author of an entire series of science-fiction novels about Russia's impending war first with Ukraine, then with NATO.

In the past, it was easy to dismiss this sort of thing as inconsequential (and I have spent years wrestling with my own doubts as to how much significance to attribute to them in my research). But now we are watching national fantasy being written before our very eyes, and it's a national fantasy that wants desperately to be a new national epic.

The competing truth claims about all the recent events in Ukraine, but about the Malaysian jetliner in particular, show one of the great epistemological dangers in the postmodern condition: no document, no footage, and no testimony can retain the status of unequivocal evidence. But the national epic fantasy at issue here is about more than simple propaganda. It is about reinforcing a narrative of victimization designed to appeal to an unhappy citizenry (and what Russian citizen lacks the justification to feel aggrieved?).

Grow up and open your eyes sheeple.
 
That's what I am talking about, all those projections have been made with sole purpose of finding the most negative proposed scenarios of demographical situation. However the West got ****ed once again and the Russian live births has exceeded deaths. According to new predictions from the latest data, Russian population in year 2030 will exceed 350,000,000 people with 1.3% growth rate at year 2030.

At year 2012: population growth rate is 0.4%, in prior year that growth rate was 0.3%, that constitutes to increase in growth rate by 0.1% every two years. At

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markado...-isnt-shrinking-its-growing-very-very-slowly/



So F*** you Latvia, F*** you Estonia, F*** you Lithuania, F*** you ENGLAND, F*** you USA, and GO F*** yourself Australia with your "predictions".

It's amazing what cherry picking can do for the desperate soul. But unfortunately for you, it doesn't change reality. Unless Putin is willing to open breeder factories, Russia's demographic fate was sealed when he invaded Ukraine. Breeder factories didn't save Hitler. So even breeder factories are unlikely to help Mother Russia.
 
... According to new predictions from the latest data, Russian population in year 2030 will exceed 350,000,000 people with 1.3% growth rate at year 2030. ...
That conflicts very strongly will all other sources I have Read, even your link to the Forbes article. Please give the source for this way out of line with other predictions, if you did not just make the data up. Here from the UN is their prediction in map form (presentation made by the Pew Research Group):

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That conflicts very strongly will all other sources I have Read, even your link to the Forbes article. Please give the source for this way out of line with other predictions, if you did not just make the data up. Here from the UN is their prediction in map form (presentation made by the Pew Research Group):

The Pew research center needs serious revisioning on Russia demographics forecast. At current population of 146,100,000 this value is way higher than any "predicted" by the UN models of demographics for Russia. The current 10,000$ for each new child policy is clearly working, so does improved healthcare, overall increase in life expectancy, increase in life quality, and increase in wages.

My projection is based on the current population trends implemented by the successful government policies.

Rus. pop. growth rate: 0.4% (2012) 0.3% (2010). Thus 0.1% rate increase every two years. At such a rate increase by year 2030 the pop. growth rate should reach 1.3% which would constitute to higher than 163,000,000 populace.

2013 143502097 0.4
2014 144076105.388 0.4
2015 144652409.809552 0.5
2016 145375671.8586 0.5
2017 146102550.217893 0.6
2018 146979165.5192 0.6
2019 147861040.512315 0.7
2020 148896067.795902 0.7
2021 149938340.270473 0.8
2022 151137846.992637 0.8
2023 152346949.768578 0.9
2024 153718072.316495 0.9
2025 155101534.967343 1
2026 156652550.317017 1
2027 158219075.820187 1.1
2028 159959485.654209 1.1
2029 161719039.996405 1.2
2030 163659668.476362 1.3



Eh Sorry I screwed up my original calculation.

Now it is year 2014 and population is already 146,100,000 people which puts the increase in growth rate at .177% for every two years...that means the value will be higher than the forecasted 163 million people.
 
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Your eyes you have been evading this question. Are you on Putin's payroll?

joepistole you have been evading this question. Are you a US ex-military all grouched up by the Cold War and taking it all out on your "enemies"? You been serving your country good yankee, now everyone has their liberties and freedoms stuffed in their pockets, so is time to take it slow soldier. Take time and smell the flowers of reality behind the veil of nationalistic bullshit.

*no one is getting paid her ok, im a Russian and i stand for things I believe in, and so do more than 80% of Russians who believe in Putin's policy*
 
joepistole you have been evading this question. Are you a US ex-military all grouched up by the Cold War and taking it all out on your "enemies"? You been serving your country good yankee, now everyone has their liberties and freedoms stuffed in their pockets, so is time to take it slow soldier. Take time and smell the flowers of reality behind the veil of nationalistic bullshit.

*no one is getting paid her ok, im a Russian and i stand for things I believe in, and so do more than 80% of Russians who believe in Putin's policy*

LOL, I think I struck a nerve. I bet you are on Putin's payroll. Here is the difference between your patriotism, mine doesn't involve taking the lands of my neighbors - period. Instead of getting doped up smelling flowers, perhaps you should look at your cognitive biases, stop cherry picking, stop scapegoating, stop playing the fictious victim card, and deal with reality honestly.
 
... My projection is based on the current population trends implemented by the successful government policies. ...
So reason you don't can't give link to the data in strong conflict will all other projections is that they are "your calculation" based on your invented or assumed data?
 
So reason you don't can't give link to the data in strong conflict will all other projections is that they are "your calculation" based on your invented or assumed data?

No the reason is due to my negligence to traceability of my logic, for which I apologize. I used google for "growth rate" data values for year 2012 and year 2010. Just Search in google "russia population growth rate" and use mouse to see the underlying growth rate values for Russia for 2012 and 2010 years respectively.
 
No the reason is due to my negligence to traceability of my logic, for which I apologize. I used google for "growth rate" data values for year 2012 and year 2010. Just Search in google "russia population growth rate" and use mouse to see the underlying growth rate values for Russia for 2012 and 2010 years respectively.
As I mentioned before you need to compare populations at years at least a decade apart to avoid just looking at the noise / errors in the data. That is why the US census is taken only every 10 years.
 
As I mentioned before you need to compare populations at years at least a decade apart to avoid just looking at the noise / errors in the data. That is why the US census is taken only every 10 years.

The problem with looking at Russia more than 10 years back is at the colossal changes that effect directly demographical situation have taken place. The transitioning phase incurred after dissolution of Soviet Union has left a mark but recovered fast and brought the country on a new path which is the guiding marker for the future of the nation. If one looks prior to the break up of Soviet Union you can clearly see an overall steady increase in population throughout decades. The 90s transitioning phase was a local anomaly and should not be punctuated as the guiding principle for predictions of populace of Russia.
 
The problem with looking at Russia more than 10 years back is at the colossal changes that effect directly demographical situation have taken place. The transitioning phase incurred after dissolution of Soviet Union has left a mark but recovered fast and brought the country on a new path which is the guiding marker for the future of the nation. If one looks prior to the break up of Soviet Union you can clearly see an overall steady increase in population throughout decades. The 90s transitioning phase was a local anomaly and should not be punctuated as the guiding principle for predictions of populace of Russia.
If you want to begin a thread on Russian population trends please do so. But that isn't the topic here.
 
So reason you don't can't give link to the data in strong conflict will all other projections is that they are "your calculation" based on your invented or assumed data?

So in conclusion, there are lots of Russians and one of them shot down MH17. Or maybe Hamas did it. Just putting that out there.
 
It appears Putin has backed off yet again. His Moscovite agents in Donetsk have finally surrendered the plane’s black boxes after giving numerous conflicting stories about the black boxes. First the black boxes were found, then they were given to Mother Russia and then they were not. Then they were lost, then they were found but they were not sure they were found. Finally after a big ceremony they were given to the Malaysian government by Alexander Borodai (a Russian Federal Security Service Major General and Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic).

However, reports indicate Russia is still supplying its irregular forces with equipment and men.
 
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It appears Putin has backed off yet again. His Moscovite agents in Donetsk have finally surrendered the plane’s black boxes after giving numerous conflicting stories about the black boxes. First the black boxes were found, then they were given to Mother Russia and then they were not. Then they were lost, then they were found but they were not sure they were found. Finally after a big ceremony they were given to the Malaysian government by Alexander Borodai (a Russian Federal Security Service Major General and Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic).

However, reports indicate Russia is still supplying its irregular forces with equipment and men.

*Phew* Crisis averted! Now that Putin's partially agreed to cooperate with confirming what he knows everyone else already knows, we can all bury our heads back in the sand and restore normal relations. Let's invite him to chair a meeting of the G8 and invite him on a couple of all expenses paid shopping trips to New York and LA, hopefully that will convince him not to butcher us for our selfish Western decadence. Let's also speed up the sale of those French warships, Russia could have them operational and keeping the peace in Crimea, eastern Ukraine and Syria within just a few short months.
 
Russian irregulars have just shot down 2 more Ukrainian aircraft in the area where MH17 was shot down. Interesting, a few hours ago Russia and their irregular forces argued irregular troops didn't have that capability.
 
Russian irregulars have just shot down 2 more Ukrainian aircraft in the area where MH17 was shot down. Interesting, a few hours ago Russia and their irregular forces argued irregular troops didn't have that capability.

how high did those Su planes fly? 5,200m
how high did that Boeing plane fly? higher than 10,000m

those are separate class of anti-aircraft weaponry.
 
how high did those Su planes fly? 5,200m
how high did that Boeing plane fly? higher than 10,000m

those are separate class of anti-aircraft weaponry.

Only Russian irregulars, under the leadership of Russian citizens are shooting down aircraft in Ukraine using weapons from Mother Russia.
 
sure

and Ukraine army, supervised by nobody is shooting with wooden sticks.

Wrong again, the Ukrainian military is led by Ukrainians and it's shooting Russian invaders. It isn't shooting aircraft.

The Ukrainian aircraft were flying at 17k feet. Russia wants the world to believe they were shot down with shoulder fired missiles. That is too high for shoulder fired missiles. It's also reported the missiles used to shoot down these planes were fired from inside Mother Russia.
 
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