Morality of Water Torture

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

It's not my place to argue, because I was born in the U.S., and it's the way I know, but I know it's nothing like it's purported to be, and if living wherever you live makes you so bitter and fearful that you view the U.S. as the big bad wolf, well then it's best that you stay there, and I'll stay here, and continue being happy while you continue to live in fear.

Its not about being fearful of the US citizens, or the place itself. its the policies,capitalstic ecconomic morals and the fact that through media routes have penetrated nearly every country in the world, oppressing 3rd world countries,supporting armed conflicts with hope of political gain, in britain now 95% of cinema releases are forgein(american),70% childrens programmes are forgein(american),when i was young and in germany (i'm 34) the kids tv was german, when i came to england late 70's english kids tv was english.
There will be a civil war in Great Britain in the next 20 or so years in my opinion and it will be between the americanized british on the side of the government/america against the european british on the side of europe.

1992 we had A glimmer of hope in John Smith of retaining our european heritage what we fought two world wars for but suddenly he died of a heart attack in may 1992 (hhhmmmmm:scratchin then came tony blair who noboddy had heard of and suddenly we are not just helping kuait we are invading the middle east???????????
Asians came into this country on mass in the 50's and 60's and after a turbulent and racist 70's early 80's things settled down.where i grew up there was a sense of multi-cultural community, kids hung round in mixed groups, we took on traits of each others cultures. I went back in around 2000 and you would have thought we had never existed. divided back to the social 70's.
You have to remember you never left after the second world war????
You are forgeiners??????
The people of this country did not want involvement in this war,it has divided us from our neighbours.
I'm happy that you like living in the US, but it is what your government does in the name of the US which is moraly wrong should be your concern, because it is on those merits how you will be percieved from the outside, and if there is something wrong with my perception, what is it between you and me that could cause this altered perceptional state.

 

[sandy]

Most of us don't care what anyone thinks of us. Our goal is staying alive during our war on terror and getting the criminal parasite aliens out of here.

Pouring water down the nose of a terrorist is NOTHING compared to what he deserves.

 

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

Well, they're doing it because they think their Koran tells them to convert/kill. So what do you suggest? We all convert to Islam or just let them keep on killing?

No not at all, but in their mindset it's the crusades all over again, take into account americas involvment in the middle east since probably isreal was given back, Muslims have had problems since then.

Why not just say enough is enough if you don't want the terrorism leave the middle east?????

What do you gain from staying there apart from oil???????

Let Isreal do its bullying on its own

 

[sandy]

..Why not just say enough is enough if you don't want the terrorism leave the middle east?????

What do you gain from staying there apart from oil???????

Let Isreal do its bullying on its own

Our leaving the ME will not stop the terrorism. You have muslims using the Koran to defend their killing/destruction. We're trying to bring peace/ democracy to Iraq. Again, it's the demonic terrorists screwing everything up. How about putting the responsibility/blame where it lies? With the terrorists where it belongs.
If we were there for oil we wouldn't be paying up to $4.95/gallon.

Israel is our friend. We support her. We always will. (Unless a democrat is elected POTUS. Then he/she will let the muslims take over the Jewish people/ land and all hell will break loose there too.)

 

[15ofthe19]

in britain now 95% of cinema releases are forgein(american),70% childrens programmes are forgein(american),when i was young and in germany (i'm 34) the kids tv was german, when i came to england late 70's english kids tv was english.
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If viewers didn't watch those shows, they would not continue being broadcast. If nobody went to see those movies, it wouldn't continue being screened.

We vote with our checkbooks. No one forces you to watch something you don't want to watch.

If a Chinese restaurant is successful, is that China forcing it's culture on another, or is it because people all over the world like Chinese food, and choose to dine there, while giving no thought to Chinese politics? Having a nice bowl of Lo Mein does not equal condoning China's despicable human rights record. Not for a sane individual anyway.

 

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

If viewers didn't watch those shows, they would not continue being broadcast. If nobody went to see those movies, it wouldn't continue being screened.

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the english film studios were closed down in the 70's, and don't forget its aimed at children and they have no true realisation or concept of being occupied by a forgein invader. so have no protection against capitalist propaganda or detruction of their heritage and culture.

 

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

Our leaving the ME will not stop the terrorism. You have muslims using the Koran to defend their killing/destruction. We're trying to bring peace/ democracy to Iraq. Again, it's the demonic terrorists screwing everything up. How about putting the responsibility/blame where it lies? With the terrorists where it belongs.
If we were there for oil we wouldn't be paying up to $4.95/gallon.

Israel is our friend. We support her. We always will. (Unless a democrat is elected POTUS. Then he/she will let the muslims take over the Jewish people/ land and all hell will break loose there too.)

I believe in Karma, not God, not Allah, not Yahweh and fear for that peaceful equillibrium of this planet is my only concern, so you will get what you deserve or reap what you sow, however you want to look at it

and arn't you using terrorism as an excuse for killing and destruction??????
boths sides are like children with no comprehension of whats outside the box and effects of what they do has on the rest of the world

 

[sandy]

I believe in Karma, not God, not Allah, not Yahweh and fear for that peaceful equillibrium of this planet is my only concern, so you will get what you deserve or reap what you sow, however you want to look at it

and arn't you using terrorism as an excuse for killing and destruction??????
boths sides are like children with no comprehension of whats outside the box and effects of what they do has on the rest of the world

"Karma" is from the Biblical law of sowing and reaping. We aren't killing and destroying anyone. We are in Iraq and Afghanistan to bring peace/democracy. The demonic muslim terrorists want nothing to do with it.

 

[15ofthe19]

the english film studios were closed down in the 70's, and don't forget its aimed at children and they have no true realisation or concept of being occupied by a forgein invader. so have no protection against capitalist propaganda or detruction of their heritage and culture.

So you consider the Tele-Tubbies foreign invaders of the U.S.?

I think we might be stumbling awkwardly into some sort of understanding of one another; that is to say, you are apparently completely delusional, and batshiat crazy, and all this time I thought I was having a back and forth with someone on the outside of the asylum.

Tell me this, if the English studios were "closed down" in the 70's, who has been making all of those British films that keep winning Oscars?

 

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

So you consider the Tele-Tubbies foreign invaders of the U.S.?

But what if all you had was British kids tv ,cinema you wouldn't be so lighthearted.

Tell me this, if the English studios were "closed down" in the 70's, who has been making all of those British films that keep winning Oscars?

90% of the films used to be british, in britain now its not even 10%?????
And because a few fims have been made, most are still american production
As too the middle bit perhaps my perception of US Is not wrong, And if you find humour in brainwashing children, then no wonder your country is being terrorised it won't be long before you are this centuries nazi-germany and the rest of the world will have to do what was done to them. the french resistence were terrorists who are still hailed as hero's, maybe the muslim terrorist's will be hailed the same.
the people of germany did not know what there countries leaders were getting up to and neither do you

 

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

"Karma" is from the Biblical law of sowing and reaping. We aren't killing and destroying anyone. We are in Iraq and Afghanistan to bring peace/democracy. The demonic muslim terrorists want nothing to do with it.

you are blind living in a bubble, its not your fault .
you messed up afghan in the 70's, 80's and as they have had enough you are now there to bring peace..........................madness

 

[sandy]

you are blind living in a bubble, its not your fault .you messed up afghan in the 70's, 80's and as they have had enough you are now there to bring peace..........................madness

Nope. Eyes wide open, smart, aware, and sick of pc bs.

I did nothing to Afghanistan. We are there now trying to bring peace. The demonic muslim terrorists don't like that idea.

 

[15ofthe19]

But what if all you had was British kids tv ,cinema you wouldn't be so lighthearted.

If what you are describing had even a shred of truth, then maybe I could see your point. Maybe you don't realize this, but I also get BBC. Either something is wrong with your television, or something is wrong with you.

 

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

Nope. Eyes wide open, smart, aware, and sick of pc bs.

I did nothing to Afghanistan. We are there now trying to bring peace. The demonic muslim terrorists don't like that idea.

I'm going to have to agree to dis-agree with you.
When i say you in afghanistan I meant as in the united states who you are defending I apologise for any remarks that you may have taken personaly.

check your countries involement sinve the begining and you may see you are tring to bring peace to the disruption that you have caused ref. russia and cold war etc

 

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

If what you are describing had even a shred of truth, then maybe I could see your point. Maybe you don't realize this, but I also get BBC. Either something is wrong with your television, or something is wrong with you.

the BBC also control the radio stations throughout britain, it also has major shares and control in a number of national newspapers,then you go into governmental control in the BBC (big brother concept). because you get a tv station were not all east enders.
capitalisaton over a nations psyche. Maybe you don't relise that, how could you?:bugeye:

 

[15ofthe19]

the BBC also control the radio stations throughout britain, it also has major shares and control in a number of national newspapers,then you go into governmental control in the BBC (big brother concept). because you get a tv station were not all east enders.
capitalisaton over a nations psyche. Maybe you don't relise that, how could you?:bugeye:

So if the government controls the BBC, shouldn't you blame the government for what's being broadcast? You realize, if nobody watches the show, and the ratings suck, and the sponsors pull their advertisements, the show will most likely be canceled, right?

What am I missing here? You're blaming television for airing what is popular?

 

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

So if the government controls the BBC, shouldn't you blame the government for what's being broadcast? You realize, if nobody watches the show, and the ratings suck, and the sponsors pull their advertisements, the show will most likely be canceled, right?

What am I missing here? You're blaming television for airing what is popular?

the BBC has many channels and there not all called BBC.
we are going off on a tangent read the last post's were not talking about t.v. quality.
When you are talking about the capitalisation of a nation's Psyche,control is what its all about (britain has 20-25% of the worlds cctv cameras) so the ratings are meaningless and just diversionary.
you need a tv lisence which you have to pay even if you do not get the BBC???
the BBC has no sponsers,advertisements? if you had the BBC you would know that???????

 

[15ofthe19]

the BBC has many channels and there not all called BBC.
we are going off on a tangent read the last post's were not talking about t.v. quality.
When you are talking about the capitalisation of a nation's Psyche,control is what its all about (britain has 20-25% of the worlds cctv cameras) so the ratings are meaningless and just diversionary.
you need a tv lisence which you have to pay even if you do not get the BBC???
the BBC has no sponsers,advertisements? if you had the BBC you would know that???????

I have one BBC channel, and it does have sponsors and ads. But I don't see what that has to do with Water Torture...

 

[Pinocchio's Hoof]

I have one BBC channel, and it does have sponsors and ads. But I don't see what that has to do with Water Torture...

you are right we are on a tangent, I was saying about listening to why these terrorist's are attacking US citizen's, as opposed to torture any torture,
you find the cause of the problem you can solve it.

to follow the step's we got here read back:soapbox:

 

[John99]

What is the problem? Dont watch T.V. then.