Morality of Water Torture
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Fraggle Rocker
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Americans tend to be more reflexively patriotic than many peoples, including yours, from what I've read about it. An Australian politician is reported to have mimed wiping his butt with the Australian flag on TV. In America no one but us unreconstructed hippies would do that and even we wouldn't do it in public. So it's difficult to make a distinction between the country and the people. Just ask Sandy.
I don't think it's the only thing of value, but it's the first thing people have to evaluate you on an internet board, and you make a very bad impression. Clearly I'm not the only member who feels this way. One person actually thinks you're not an anglophone, unless he's joking. It is very inconsiderate to expect people to wade through an entire post where almost every word with more than six letters is misspelled. I too am curious why you don't use a spell-checker. First impressions count, and the first impression you make is not that of a highly educated person.
I'm sorry if I insulted you. You and I have discussed this before and I've never mentioned it again, despite the fact that it really grates on me. But you did insult my country and fair is fair.
I have. President Carter took the advice of a poorly chosen advisor (I can't remember which one; Brzezinksi seems too bright today to have been so stupid then), and thought that the way to keep the Soviets from making too much headway in the Middle East was to play their own game and support insurgents in Afghanistan that were "on our side." The Soviet faction became what in this century was known as the Northern Alliance. The faction that was funded and advised by the C.I.A. did not congeal into a united front, but through a few strokes of good luck one particular group got the notice of the Americans and received disproportionate support. After a little more infighting and merging, that group went on to become the Taliban. We created our own monster.
AMERICA is everyone's problem SOCIOPATH'S are dangerous with no feelings towards it s victims.
as a common man, a normalish person, what can i do when my relatives are killed by this sociopath I fight back the only way I can, it may be called terrorism but to others its survival.
back to torture, a few years ago british newspaper printed pictures of british soldiers urinating,torturing iraqi prisoners they were found to be fake and the editor was sacked. A short while later london was bombed why PIERS MORGAN( THE EDITOR) did not face charges of causing death by incitement of hatred, or any other charges is beyond me.
My country is not "one huge sociopath"!
WTF? Yes we have some liberal loons but as a country are, for the most part, happy/healthy, and doing just fine, thank you. I think you've been reading too much liberal propaganda. They are the most miserable citizens. The Republicans and Christians are pretty happy campers right now.
This would be funny, if it were funny.
The irony tag took one look at that sentence, and asploded.
Healthy? don't you mean that a large percentage of the US suffers from obeseity. While the countries with national debt owed to the US are malnourished,diseased and starving.
Happy? US companies make tens of millions of dollars off the back of child slavery.
And are doing just fine thank you........................don't sociopaths suffer from denial about what they do ?
Do you think that the majority of US citizens have been mis-informed or manipulated by the media t.v,newspapers,radio,advertising boards in to a mindset that they think what the government is doing in the name of US citizens is moralisticaly right.
I'm sure someone mentioned reagen earlier, yeah great cowboy, wicked actor but when did he study politics??????
When the US has a leader who works for the people and does what a leader should do what does the US do....................
Shoot them.............
JFK
MALCOM X
MARTIN LUTHER KING
ABE LINCOLN.
to be honest i cant see how they could be, maybe its like stockholms syndrome. There are alot of positions in the US i cant understand but the one that i find personally the most baffling is the position on universal health care. I have seen some of the ad's about the evils of "socilised med" and i found them to be as big a joke as the Howard goverment's work choices advertisements. If they were run here i couldnt see a) most people conecting universal health care to the frase socialised med and b)taking them seriously.
I have to agree that from a country that never assainates her leaders (well unless you count the shark that killed Harold Holt), the fact that you kill the only political figures who generally seem to want to improve your country is amazing
Oh and you missed one off your list, Bobby Kenerdy
I dont know if its your presidental system of limiting terms but it seems like people who generally want to serve for the good of all are diswaded from running and you only seem to get people who do it for there own gain after they leave the office.
As much as i dislike Howard i have no doubt that he was doing what he thought was in the best intrests of the country rather than in his OWN best intrests because he could have earned ALOT more in the private sector, so could Costello (the former Treasurer)
I see alot wrong with the US coming right back to your political system. Im sure that the people are great as inderviduals but you seem to have the most self serving public servents in the world. With that in mind its no wonder no one seems to trust them
I have to agree that from a country that never assainates her leaders (well unless you count the shark that killed Harold Holt), the fact that you kill the only political figures who generally seem to want to improve your country is amazing
Oh and you missed one off your list, Bobby Kenerdy
I dont know if its your presidental system of limiting terms but it seems like people who generally want to serve for the good of all are diswaded from running and you only seem to get people who do it for there own gain after they leave the office.
As much as i dislike Howard i have no doubt that he was doing what he thought was in the best intrests of the country rather than in his OWN best intrests because he could have earned ALOT more in the private sector, so could Costello (the former Treasurer)
I see alot wrong with the US coming right back to your political system. Im sure that the people are great as inderviduals but you seem to have the most self serving public servents in the world. With that in mind its no wonder no one seems to trust them
Fraggle Rocker
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Newspapers have their biases but they still (barely) represent a cross section of opinions so I don't think newspapers are at fault. I place the blame on the proliferation of The News For People Who Can't Read: television. TV newscasts of necessity condense their reports and leave out details that could stir up individual thinking. But worse, because they are oral they are laden with emotion and tell their viewers how to feel about current events. I believe that when TV news achieved prominence over print media, probably in the late 1970s, is when the misinformation and manipulation you refer to began to take over the populace,
Reagan was in fact on the board of directors of the Screen Actors Guild (actor's union) for many years and was the union's president for seven years--very tumultous years that were marked by the Taft-Hartley Act, the Hollywood blacklist scandal, and the House Un-American Activities Committee. The denizens of Hollywood are a rowdy, opinionated lot. Reagan was certainly well-versed in politics and he was noted for his talent for compromise.
I don't mean to imply that I was a fan of his, but we've had worse presidents. He was both aware enough and humble enough to surround himself with people he felt were good advisors, and to take their advice.
Running water down the nose of a terrorist POS who just blew up innocent civilians is nothing compared to what he deserves.
I'm sorry...I can not and will not subribed to that point of view....Either try them or release them...Justice is not fufilled in directed violence.
This thread is like so many others in that it's filled with very little substance, and a lot of bullshit, but it stands out to me for one reason: The idea of the U.S. as something that can be understood from the outside looking in, with no firsthand knowledge.
The posters sharing their brilliant hypotheses seek to personify a nation into a term normally reserved for criminal proceedings, and the DSM-IV, have made a breakthrough, with me anyway. More than ever before I realize just how little is known about the U.S., and the people who live, work, play and govern here.
I'm not good with words, so I could never begin to explain the American Experience, but even if I tried, I know some of you would never believe me because you just wouldn't believe that it could really be as different in practice as from the way you've imagined it to be.
It's not my place to argue, because I was born in the U.S., and it's the way I know, but I know it's nothing like it's purported to be, and if living wherever you live makes you so bitter and fearful that you view the U.S. as the big bad wolf, well then it's best that you stay there, and I'll stay here, and continue being happy while you continue to live in fear.
The posters sharing their brilliant hypotheses seek to personify a nation into a term normally reserved for criminal proceedings, and the DSM-IV, have made a breakthrough, with me anyway. More than ever before I realize just how little is known about the U.S., and the people who live, work, play and govern here.
I'm not good with words, so I could never begin to explain the American Experience, but even if I tried, I know some of you would never believe me because you just wouldn't believe that it could really be as different in practice as from the way you've imagined it to be.
It's not my place to argue, because I was born in the U.S., and it's the way I know, but I know it's nothing like it's purported to be, and if living wherever you live makes you so bitter and fearful that you view the U.S. as the big bad wolf, well then it's best that you stay there, and I'll stay here, and continue being happy while you continue to live in fear.
Running water down the nose of a terrorist POS who just blew up innocent civilians is nothing compared to what he deserves.
He didn't just do it on a whim, to resort to terrorism there has to be something drasticaly wrong somewhere, terrorism is a result, why not listen to why they are doing it to put an end to it "two wrongs don't make a right"
Didn't know that. And am surprised.
Well, they're doing it because they think their Koran tells them to convert/kill. So what do you suggest? We all convert to Islam or just let them keep on killing?