Wrong, we use empathy to understand. Understanding our enemy is vital to our defense. Our error in Vietnam and Iraq was because we did not empathesize and thus did not understand them.
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Wrong, we use empathy to understand. Understanding our enemy is vital to our defense. Our error in Vietnam and Iraq was because we did not empathesize and thus did not understand them.
We understand them just fine. We know they are demonic.
we have people who understand them YOU are not one of them
We understand them just fine. We know they are demonic.
Ignorance is one of the reasons for the our failure in Vietnam and Iraq. We failed at empathy and thus did not understand the enemy. Understanding the enemy is very important.
coberst
Did you ever think that maybe America (as a sociaty) is incapable of empathy? Its like a massive sociopath unable to understand its own citizans and understand anyone else. Look at all the school shootings, the responce to terriousm, the fact that you are the only industrlised country with no universal health care, as far as i know you also have the lowest min wage, the least protection for workers and limited social secruities as well. Not to mention APALING education
Did you ever think that maybe America (as a sociaty) is incapable of empathy? Its like a massive sociopath unable to understand its own citizans and understand anyone else. Look at all the school shootings, the responce to terriousm, the fact that you are the only industrlised country with no universal health care, as far as i know you also have the lowest min wage, the least protection for workers and limited social secruities as well. Not to mention APALING education
Asguard
I think that all humans have the ability to understand. Our culture has a great bias against intellectual activity beyond that which will earn a buck. The problem in our society is that adults put their intellect in the attic with their year book when their formal education is over.
I think that all humans have the ability to understand. Our culture has a great bias against intellectual activity beyond that which will earn a buck. The problem in our society is that adults put their intellect in the attic with their year book when their formal education is over.
We are perfectly capable of empathizing. How else could you explain our donating millions to the victims of the tsunami? We are tired of being suckers, though. Suckers for sob stories of lazy people and people who will not take personal responsibility.
Half of us (Republicans) are fed up with the other half of the country (liberals) who will not stay out of jails, welfare offices, food stamp places, entitlement sources, criminal activity, and trouble-making.The school shootings were done by liberal morons who were off their meds and wanted attention. We have already discussed the other reasons they do such horrendous things.
Our response to terrorism was perfect. We are fighting the war on terror, we got Saddam (the world's biggest terrorist), we are searching for binLaden, we captured/killed several top alQaeda monsters, and we spend billions in surveillance to prevent more 911 attacks. Thank God we have W as our POTUS. Kerry would be cowering in the corner...
The majority of us do not want socialized medicine. We see how bad it is.
We don't have the lowest minimum wage. There are plenty of countries with lower rates. China's is about a dollar an hour. We don't want to raise it anyway. The only people working those jobs are criminal aliens. We have "protection" for workers in the form of unions who extort businesses.
And as far as "APALING education", I have no freakin clue what that is.
If america was not in the middle east you would not have a problem with terrorist's, so you have brought it on yourselves.
Perhaps you should let israel carry out it's enforced exodus of indigenous palestinians on their own???
People are not born terrorists but when your family, friends and relatives are killed and oppressed by western invaders stealing your countries resources, you are left with no choice but to make your peoples suffering known by any means necessary.
I'm not condoning terrorism, terrorism is the result NOT THE CAUSE and you must deal with the problem you have caused
you should not have been there in the first place that was the failure.
In a war both sides are the enemy.
Do you know how freaking retarded that is? We're in the ME because we're fighting the war on terror. If the muslims would behave and stop committing terror attacks, we would not be there fighting them. THEY started this. WE will finish it.
People are not born terrorists. They are trained by the scum of the earth to destroy/kill innocent people.
We didn't steal anything from anyone. We're trying to bring democracy but the vile terrorists want no part of it.
Totally agree. The U.S. should have known better when they carved up the old Ottoman Empire, just like they should have known better when they created Pakistan. Good post.!
Do you know how freaking retarded that is? We're in the ME because we're fighting the war on terror. If the muslims would behave and stop committing terror attacks, we would not be there fighting them. THEY started this. WE will finish it.
People are not born terrorists. They are trained by the scum of the earth to destroy/kill innocent people.
We didn't steal anything from anyone. We're trying to bring democracy but the vile terrorists want no part of it.
Were there terrorists attacks before us invaded the middle east......NO!
Did america give money, arms and equipment to the Taliban to oust the muudahadgiem(don't know if its spelt right).......YES!
IF the palestinians are using terrorist acts because attrocities are commited against them by the isrealies is it anything to do with the us.......NO!
were there WMD'S............NO!
Are the IRAQI'S better off with the us in control..................NO!
You started this with lies told to the world to rally it to your side, without proof the world said no, you went ahead any way??
you started this with a hidden agenda (saudia arabia,and jordan in the 70's), lybia, in the 80's,veitnam 60's. like veitnam the terrorist's will finish this.
Terrorist's are trained because you are persecuting the people of the middle east apart from israel,saudi arabia. man does not lie down and die it survives by any means necessary.
They started this we will finish this is an unintelligent childish statement.
oh yes and you didn't steal anything from anyone????????
I forgot you are charging iraq for rebuilding it, by taking millions of gallons of oil????? during the build up oil prices on oil sold to america doubled, now oil use as in oil from us soil has gone down (because you get it for nothing)
America does not fool anyone apart from media-brainwashed americans.
the country that segregated blacks till the 60's,wiped out the indians,dropped atom bombs on japan during the second day of peace talks,refused to sign the kyoto agreement has no foundations to preach democracy to anyone and it is the people that want no part of american democracy because you don't listen they become terrorist's so you can heaq their voice.
What goes around, comes around.
BEHOLD THE AGE OF AMERICA,PROCLAIM THE RISE OF THIS NEO-SAVAGE EMPIRE AS THE DOWNFALL OF THIS ERA
Terrorists kidnapped/held hostage Americans for 444 days in our embassy in Iran in '79. That was the recent start. I know it goes way back to 1683 when Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war.
We will finish it no matter how you spin it. We will destroy the terrorists. We will bring peace. Thank God W is president. He's doing a great job of this. Too bad the demonic terrorists won't stop their vile behavior and let people live in peace. That is why, you are the agressors.
And maybe i'm wrong so give me 2 accounts of america bringing peace anywhere that will offset the previous attrocities. you are a young country barely half a millenia old in those 500 years you have caused more attrocities than the middle east combined.
You thank God that dikhead bush is president, GOD IS THE KING OF MAN, not idiots, they thanked god during the inquisition because they were doing a great job.
BEHOLD THE ENEMY OF THE WORLD.
BEHOLD THE RISE OF THE MODERN SAVAGES.
COME FORTH MY FELLOW MAN,LET US BE BRAVE AGAINST THIS TYRRANY
IN THE GUISE OF DEMOCRACY.
AS A NEW WORLD WE WILL CRUSH THIS RISING OF IGNORANCE ON OUR PLANET.
word of advice don't believe what they put in the papers.:runaway::runaway::runaway:
Fraggle Rocker
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We do have a frontier-era attitude that everyone has to make it on his own. Nonetheless that's only one component of our national character. Americans are one of the most generous people on earth. We fall all over each other trying to help the people of the Third World. We just can't understand why they don't do what we did and rise up and overthrow their tyrannical governments.
Because of our history of being suspicious of tyrannical governments, many of us are reluctant to increase the power of government beyond the too-big-for-its-britches level that it has already achieved. We simply do not want to live in a "nanny state" where Big Brother takes care of everything, because that invariably leads to reduced freedom. We're willing to take the risks that come with freedom. People who are not should not live here.
Azzy, I avoid commenting on your "appalling" spelling, but please dude, you're forcing me to point out that you're the last person in Australia who should be setting yourself up as the poster child for its educational system! Please climb down off of your high horse. Or get a Mac, OS/X spell-checks everything whether you want it or not.
It red-lined about twenty words in the short portion of your post I quoted.
That's more than a little simplistic, Sandy. You claim to have a university education. Surely you're aware of the fact that the USA and the USSR used the Middle East as their own private chessboard throughout the Cold War. WE kept the Shah in power so that Iran would not get cozier with the Soviets. WE created the Taliban because they fought against the Afghan factions that were allied with the Russians and would have turned Afghanistan into a Soviet satellite country. WE supported Saddam Hussein because he was fighting a war against Iran. Of course the Russians were doing the same thing from their side. The people of the Middle East have good reason to think that the Americans and Russians treated them like crap and made their countries the way they are today, and good reason to dislike us intensely.
Punishing the Iraqis for something the Saudis did (9/11) just makes us look not only evil, but stupid. Many hard-line Muslims consider Saudi Arabia to be a pawn of the US, and the fact that we bombed Kabul and Baghdad instead of Riyadh only reinforces that conviction. Bin Laden is a member by marriage of the Saudi royal family. If we had told King Abdullah that he had 24 hours to deliver Osama's head to us or we would start bombing the crap out of his country, overthrowing its despotic ruler, and occupying it so we could liberate its women, you can bet that a FedEx truck with Osama's gift-wrapped head would have shown up at the White House with about eighteen hours to spare. Instead, our treasonous president made a special exception to the no-fly rule on 9/11 and permitted a planeload of Saudis to leave the country. For all we know, Osama could have been on that plane. Oh yeah, and Saudi pilots won't fly unless we remove all female personnel from our control towers!
Sandy may not realize that you're making a joke. It was the Brits who carved up the Ottoman Empire when it collapsed just about the same time WWI ended. It was the Brits who then decided to hand Palestine (part of the Ottoman Empire) over to the Jewish refugees at the end of WWII, since as far as they were concerned nobody important was living there. It was virtually everybody else in Europe who thought that was a splendid idea, because as ashamed as they were for having made antisemitism their national sport for a thousand years, and as much as they wanted to do something nice for the Jews, they didn't want to go so far as to invite them back to their home cities in Europe, which is in fact where 99.99% of them would rather have gone. (Zionism was a radical fringe movement with little popular support.) It was also the Brits who created "nations" like Iraq and Nigeria during their colonial era, by cobbling together fragments of ethnic groups who had nothing in common but mutual hatred, drawing some pretty lines on a map, and saying, "Here, this is your home so start getting along."
As for how Pakistan came to be, we should probably wait for Sam to explain it. I'm not entirely sure we can blame the West for that particular disaster, although we have a lot to do with the fact that a despot like Musharraf is in charge of it.
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Fraggle Rocker and anyone else who took that as a personal atack on the PEOPLE of america i was refering to the SOCIATY of american not her people. Your coperations, your goverment all act in the same way a sociopath would, ie with very little empathy to anyone. I wont go through the list again but it would be nice if the political debate went BEHIND an issue to WHY things happen rather than striking out as soon as the WHO has been established
Oh and Fraggle Rocker i find it HIGHLY amusing that you assume LITERACY and more importantly SPELLING is the only thing of value. Would you like a link to one of my uni assignments that recived a HD? Im sure it would be of GREAT comfort to a pt if i could TREAT a miocardial infaction rather than just SPELL IT!!!!!!!!
Oh and Fraggle Rocker i find it HIGHLY amusing that you assume LITERACY and more importantly SPELLING is the only thing of value. Would you like a link to one of my uni assignments that recived a HD? Im sure it would be of GREAT comfort to a pt if i could TREAT a miocardial infaction rather than just SPELL IT!!!!!!!!