Modalism vs. Dispensation-ism

Leo Volont

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Modalism vs. Dispensation-ism

Modalism is the notion that God has changed Modes from Age to Age: first being God the Father, and then God the Son as Jesus, and finally being the Holy Spirit. They claim that there cannot be more than One God at a time, and that to think in terms of a Trinity is to multiply Gods.

Why they do not believe in one Stable and Constant God is that Times seem to Change, and so they must conclude that God changes with them. It runs counter to the most traditional Theological Philosophies which hold that God must be Eternal and Essentially Non-Changing – a Universal Constant.

We should suppose that it is not God that Changes, but the World’s Relationship to God – this would be Dispensation-ism. Every major Age brings the World either closer to God or further away from God, depending on whether or not Humanity responds well to the Tests… whether we succeed or fail, or progress or decline. I would like to believe in a constant Progress, but there was the Thing with the Forbidden Fruit and then when the Chosen People murdered their intended Messiah, it rather shakes one’s confidence.

So what were the Dispensations. We had the Dispensation of Paradise, where it all started. God was Creator and Humanity was Spirit like Angels. Humanity was then ever in the Presence of God – there was no distance and thus no necessity for a term expressing relationship. God was not Father, but simply God. But then there was The Big Mistake, and another Dispensation was brought on – the Dispensation of the Curse and Promise of Redemption. God became seen like the Father – outside of God’s Direct Presence, we would need to see God in terms of Relationship -- while Humanity was tossed into the bodies of animals. Redemption would have to be achieved through the pursuit of Righteousness and Perfection, which ought to have culminated in the Reign of a Spiritually Perfect Christ born from an Immaculately and Spiritually Pure Virgin. That didn’t work out, which brought on another Dispensation. The Immaculate Virgin would spend several thousand years trying to guide Humanity towards Atonement for having Murdered Her Son the Messiah. Her Dispensation would be aimed at Conversion – Moral Conversion. But, with the Murder of Christ it was inevitable that much Sin would come into the World, and much False Religion. Even the Catholic Church would be divided between Good and Evil. There would be those who would claim that by Murdering Christ the Messiah, All Sin would be Forgiven and thus become Permissible in the Eyes of God, an idea, which if it ever became universally accepted, would prove the Ultimate Victory for Satan.

If Our Lady is ever successful in leading Humanity to Conversion – Conversion to the idea that We all should collectively Atone and Repent for having Murdered Her Son – then there will come the Next Dispensation. I expect this will be the Messiah Come to give us a Second Chance, and the Descent of the Holy Spirit, or rather the Ascent of Humanity to the Level of the Holy Spirit.
 
For those who doesn't believe in Modalism, if God does not change through the ages, then which depiction of God is the most correct one? Since you speak of the Virgin Mary so much, I assume that the Biblical depiction is the most correct? A man with a long beard, flowing robe, and fiery hourglass eyes? Is that not a modern (in the religious sense) depiction of him which would mean he changed throughout the ages or has he always been like that when primitive men were still running about naked so they would think God was naked as well. Why would the robe be the select choice of clothing for God instead of being naked, wearing fig leaves, wearing a suit and tie, some leather armor, or whatever else? And why is he always in the shape of a man as well and not some other form of life?

As for the second to last paragraph, it mentions a lot of Christianity belief. The death of the son of God, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, etc etc. Why is that age in time so important? Why is everything always about Christianity as opposed to other religions? Everything seems to be about the Virgin Mary, but where are all the other demi-gods and other important figures from other religions? And assuming all those past religions are completely untrue and only Christianity is, where are all the other past important figures towards God that did their good things before Jesus or the Virgin Mary was ever born? Does God just forget about them once Jesus and the Virgin Mary has arrived and taken over? Or has God had absolutely no contact with man-kind until the Virgin Mary and Jesus finally showed up? Why is everything religious always about that very specific time frame and no other time, past or present?

- N
 
Neildo said:
As for the second to last paragraph, it mentions a lot of Christianity belief. The death of the son of God, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, etc etc. Why is that age in time so important? Why is everything always about Christianity as opposed to other religions? - N

It is about Christianity from the Christian perspective, sure, but all of the Higher Religions followed somewhat along the same lines. For instance, did you ever notice that Amoral Polytheism sort of disappeared at the same time all over the world. It was supplanted by Christianity in the West, Buddhism in the West, and Zoroastrianism in between.

I DO think that Mary and Christ Jesus were Modal Points in the Physical Universe; however, on the Spiritual Realm, where every Mystic from Every Higher Religion had Equal Access, the Essential Truths of Higher Religion were not kept Excusively. Today, the Mystical and Contemplative Orders of Catholicism have quite some Competition from the Mahayana Buddhist, the Sufis (Zoroastrians), and the Hindu Yogins and Gurus (the ones not getting rich or laid).
 
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