Might Makes Right. How to Survive Capitalism.

Stephen said:
The war will allways be
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This is a slave meme.
It is illogical. It cannot be proven. It is a meme that war is inevtiable one way or another. There will always be ware. Of course, this is fallse. This is a meme with no basis in logical reality. It is a meme created by social brainwashing. Convince the slaves that wars are inevitbale. Practical, necessary, and useful even. Then they defend the inevitability and necessity of war with all of their might. The same goes for poverty, crime, etc. They are brainwashed into perpetuating these things instead of eliminating them.

YOU ARE DOING NOTHING BUT DEFENDING THE INVEITABILITY OF WAR, AND THEREFORE, DEFENDING THE NECESSITY OF WAR. WAR IS A DISFUNCTION. NOT AN INEVITABILITY. DEFINITELY NOT A NECESSITY.

Disfunctions are anything that hinder growth and development. Such as war. The belief that war fosters growth and development is warped senile slave meme cultural brainwashing.
 
Cool Skill said:
warped senile slave meme cultural brainwashing
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I imagine you slobbering when you say this out loud. Nonetheless, you are right. One day there will be no war, no hunger, no conflict, no suffering. One day we will all be dead, and there will be no humans left to commit atrocities.
 
If society had no problems, there would be no war, violence, and poverty. It just so happens that it is everywhere. Now we see how truly screwed up crappytalism really is.
 
lixluke said:
If society had no problems, there would be no war, violence, and poverty. It just so happens that it is everywhere. Now we see how truly screwed up crappytalism really is.
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Hmm, but wasn't there war and violence long, long before capitalism was instated?

And just remember; If the fox hadn't stopped to take a shit, he'd have caught the rabbit! Statements with "IF" in them are usually just about as valuable as that ...worth nothing.

Baron Max
 
lixluke said:
If society had no problems, there would be no war, violence, and poverty. It just so happens that it is everywhere. Now we see how truly screwed up crappytalism really is.
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No society, no problems. There's your answer. Kill everyone.

Remember, a free human is free to fuck things up for everyone else on a mere whim.
 
baumgarten said:
No society, no problems. There's your answer. Kill everyone.

Remember, a free human is free to fuck things up for everyone else on a mere whim.
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Nobody is talking about killing everybody. Only if humans were to the earth like a virus is to a creature would that make any sense.

Whereas a mammal adapts to surrounding environment symbiotically, humans destroy it. An animal plays a symbiotic role in its ecosystem. The most simple example of this is breathing. The release of CO2 needed for plant life, and the release of O2 needed for human life. A virus enters an area, harnesses its resources, and multiplying. All resulting in the destruction of the area, and the expansive spread of the virus throughout the area. The virus kills everything in site until there is nothing left. Ultimately, the area is destroyed, and the virus dies with it.
 
lixluke said:
Nobody is talking about killing everybody.
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Wrong. I am talking about killing everybody.

lixluke said:
Only if humans were to the earth like a virus is to a creature would that make any sense.
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Who mentioned the environment? We're talking about society here.

lixluke said:
Whereas a mammal adapts to surrounding environment symbiotically, humans destroy it. An animal plays a symbiotic role in its ecosystem. The most simple example of this is breathing. The release of CO2 needed for plant life, and the release of O2 needed for human life. A virus enters an area, harnesses its resources, and multiplying. All resulting in the destruction of the area, and the expansive spread of the virus throughout the area. The virus kills everything in site until there is nothing left. Ultimately, the area is destroyed, and the virus dies with it.
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Other than humans, animals of the same species do not kill each other, either. Also, animals do not fear strife or hunger, for they never starve or struggle. Animals only live in peace and harmony. Humans are a scourge and should be eliminated.
 
baumgarten said:
Other than humans, animals of the same species do not kill each other, either. Also, animals do not fear strife or hunger, for they never starve or struggle. Animals only live in peace and harmony. Humans are a scourge and should be eliminated.
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Ya right!
 
No they don't have an economic model. WTF planet are you on? If it isn't one thing, it's bumkindergarteners running about claiming that animals have economic models. How truly pathetic indeed your bumkindergarten understanding of economics. If you ever get to 1st grade, perhaps you will realize that economics is for humans. Not for Simba, Big Bird, or Barney.
 
lixluke said:
No they don't have an economic model. WTF planet are you on? If it isn't one thing, it's bumkindergarteners running about claiming that animals have economic models. How truly pathetic indeed your bumkindergarten understanding of economics. If you ever get to 1st grade, perhaps you will realize that economics is for humans. Not for Simba, Big Bird, or Barney.
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Hey Adam Smith, economics is for anything that consumes resources, and that includes computer programs, baseball teams, and animal populations. In fact it would be very helpful, perhaps even applicable to human societies, if you actually had a way of managing resources such that, for example, male animals ceased their violent and competitive impulses during mating season. We also have pituitary glands (though you may not) so perhaps your miracle cure for testosterone-saturated economic policies will save the world from unpleasantness.
 
lixluke said:
This is a slave meme.
It is illogical. It cannot be proven. It is a meme that war is inevtiable one way or another. There will always be ware. Of course, this is fallse. This is a meme with no basis in logical reality. It is a meme created by social brainwashing. Convince the slaves that wars are inevitbale. Practical, necessary, and useful even. Then they defend the inevitability and necessity of war with all of their might. The same goes for poverty, crime, etc. They are brainwashed into perpetuating these things instead of eliminating them.

YOU ARE DOING NOTHING BUT DEFENDING THE INVEITABILITY OF WAR, AND THEREFORE, DEFENDING THE NECESSITY OF WAR. WAR IS A DISFUNCTION. NOT AN INEVITABILITY. DEFINITELY NOT A NECESSITY.

Disfunctions are anything that hinder growth and development. Such as war. The belief that war fosters growth and development is warped senile slave meme cultural brainwashing.
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You should really check Heraclitus and almost every known creation myth,
and then be able to find out that "states" of order and chaos have always oscillated.
I am not reffering to necessity of war. The principle of war-peace is what I think
you don't understand. Peace is a necessity, but if you think about it,
all we can do, is to make those peace-periods to last longer. Sooner, or
later, if you respect one's right of choice, or just "live peacefully", there will be people/creatures/Earth's cataclisms that will induce wars. Total social control you are reffering to is static model and is illogical. We are all paralelling in social evolution, but not in the same directions.
 
baumgarten said:
Wrong. I
Other than humans, animals of the same species do not kill each other, either. Also, animals do not fear strife or hunger, for they never starve or struggle. Animals only live in peace and harmony. Humans are a scourge and should be eliminated.
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Animals live in peace and harmony..
Animals do compete, invasive species do eliminate others,
bugs do dominate global fauna, mammals were food for
dinosaurs before the "big crash"...

Peace and harmony is a human-made concept, but it is
reffering to state of balance in ecosystem. On various
levels of interrelations in nature; destruction, elimination,
domination, balance and inbalance are just always happening...
Not just symbiosis, mutualism, endosymbiosis, coexistence.
Face it. You are deliberately seeing just one side of the medal.

We are out of that balance. But soon, it will affect us.
Population will dramatically drop, and we will be back on the
tracks. Like any other group of animals. Are you familliar with
evolutionist term "narrow throath"? It has happend to "us" before.
If there are too many of us and still increasing, than i suppose
you know what is inevitable.

FOLKS, IT IS ALL NATURAL. The problem is most of us can't face it.
We are corrupted with greed.
 
Stephen said:
FOLKS, IT IS ALL NATURAL. The problem is most of us can't face it.
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Well, isn't us not facing it also natural? Besides, what do you mean "We can't face it"? Don't we face it every-fuckin'-day of our lives?

Stephen said:
We are corrupted with greed.
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Isn't our greed natural?

Perhaps you fail to see that everything is natural? ...even all of our "faults"? We often like to think that our dirty, polluted, crime-ridden cities are unnatural, but that's just not so ...cities, skyscrapers and crime are perfectly natural occurances in human evolution.

Stephen, you typed a lot to say very damned little ...and even some that was erroneous!

Baron Max
 
Stephen said:
You should really check Heraclitus and almost every known creation myth,
and then be able to find out that "states" of order and chaos have always oscillated.
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Wrong. States of order and chaos have nothing to do with war and peace.
Such states are about creation, decay, destruction. You are taking one idea, and applying it to something COMPLETELY different. War is not inevitable. War is not necessary. Anybody that wants it can simply rationalize an explanation for its inevitability. A rationalization is a lie to yourself. Anybody slave on this planet that has been programmed to want war can rationalize thousands upon thousands of rationalized forms of reasoning about why war is inevitable. Rationalization is not logic. It's brain damage.

All humans are capable of living with individual clear minds without any major emotional disfunction. This does not stop the process of decay. All societies are capable of functioning peacefully and prosperously without any major disfunction. This does not stop the process of decay.
There are many things beyond the control of humanity. Disfunctions such as war and poverty are not one of them. You irrationally propose they are out of our control. Slave mentality meme. Pathetic.

So many slaves come up with rationalizations about why war is inevitable. This is a result of preprogrammed fear of peace. This fear of peace is part of zombie programming to control humans. False beliefs are limiting beliefs. They limit people like shackles. The only way to eliminate fears of peace is to assess our false limiting beliefs, and transmute them into beliefs that will not limit us like shackles. Humans are gifted with unlimited degree of personal potential that remains dormant do to shackles that keel them from being free. Take all the false slave memes that limit the mind, and transmute them into beliefs of control over yourself.

False Belief 1:
I believe that war is inevitable as an aspect of the cycle of chaos and order.

Transmutation:
I believe that the end of war is inevitable as and aspect of melioristic laws of the universe.

Let's learn our lesson from physical slavery. For thousands of years, physical slavery, the ownership and trade of human beings, was a normal standard. Any talk about the elimination of slavery fell under the same category of impossibility. It will never happen. <-Recognize the slave meme “It will never happen”. Well it eventually did happen. Not as part of the cycle of order and chaos, but as part of inevitable human progressive evolution. War and poverty will abide by the same law no matter what. Physical slavery is not only no longer the standard. It is virtually unheard of and culturally despised. Slavery went from culturally accepted to culturally despised. War and poverty might be more complicated. Allowing poverty upon people and committing acts of war upon other countries is a deplorable act of leadership.

Anytime somebody says “It will NEVER happen” or “There will ALWAYS be” in reference to social disfunctions and solving them, they are speaking from the slave meme of programmed rationalization.
 
lixluke said:
Wrong. States of order and chaos have nothing to do with war and peace.
Such states are about creation, decay, destruction. You are taking one idea, and applying it to something COMPLETELY different. War is not inevitable. War is not necessary. Anybody that wants it can simply rationalize an explanation for its inevitability. A rationalization is a lie to yourself. Anybody slave on this planet that has been programmed to want war can rationalize thousands upon thousands of rationalized forms of reasoning about why war is inevitable. Rationalization is not logic. It's brain damage.

All humans are capable of living with individual clear minds without any major emotional disfunction. This does not stop the process of decay. All societies are capable of functioning peacefully and prosperously without any major disfunction. This does not stop the process of decay.
There are many things beyond the control of humanity. Disfunctions such as war and poverty are not one of them. You irrationally propose they are out of our control. Slave mentality meme. Pathetic.

So many slaves come up with rationalizations about why war is inevitable. This is a result of preprogrammed fear of peace. This fear of peace is part of zombie programming to control humans. False beliefs are limiting beliefs. They limit people like shackles. The only way to eliminate fears of peace is to assess our false limiting beliefs, and transmute them into beliefs that will not limit us like shackles. Humans are gifted with unlimited degree of personal potential that remains dormant do to shackles that keel them from being free. Take all the false slave memes that limit the mind, and transmute them into beliefs of control over yourself.

False Belief 1:
I believe that war is inevitable as an aspect of the cycle of chaos and order.

Transmutation:
I believe that the end of war is inevitable as and aspect of melioristic laws of the universe.

Let's learn our lesson from physical slavery. For thousands of years, physical slavery, the ownership and trade of human beings, was a normal standard. Any talk about the elimination of slavery fell under the same category of impossibility. It will never happen. <-Recognize the slave meme “It will never happen”. Well it eventually did happen. Not as part of the cycle of order and chaos, but as part of inevitable human progressive evolution. War and poverty will abide by the same law no matter what. Physical slavery is not only no longer the standard. It is virtually unheard of and culturally despised. Slavery went from culturally accepted to culturally despised. War and poverty might be more complicated. Allowing poverty upon people and committing acts of war upon other countries is a deplorable act of leadership.

Anytime somebody says “It will NEVER happen” or “There will ALWAYS be” in reference to social disfunctions and solving them, they are speaking from the slave meme of programmed rationalization.
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I must admitt I don't understand your theory.
War brings chaos, things get out of balance. Peace
maintains equilibrium.
Tell me what war means to you?
Most of peacefull nations remained peacefull way because of isolation.

Are you saying that one day, all human white blood cells
will ceace to defend the body because we managed to kill
all existing microbs through evolution?! Isn't that analogy apropriate?
We are not a homogeneus society. I don't know about your background,
but my country has been (Europe/Balcan border) trough history
always(sorry, for long time) "on fire". WAR IS CHAOS. I'm slave of your society
(probably), and THEY and thier geopolitics kill my people. Not f** wrong worldview.
Don't insult our intelligence. My nation is a very peacefull nation.
Look for REASONS for war and peace, why do you hypothesize so much?
I am very healthy and that is good for me, it's not necessary to be ill, so I can always be healthy?!?
You model is static. Enemy is within us. People go to wars because of
deseases, better living conditions, goods, sense of pride, mistakes in communication,
betrayal..
We are far more complex.
 
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No I am saying that theories of chaos and order are irrelevant to situationals such as war.

Moreso that the only thing that can be proven as fact are anything based on empirial scientific experiment. You cannot say that war is or is not inevitable becuase you cannot prove it through experimental testing.

Your ideas abut war being chaos are not logical. They are one of thousands of rationalizations for the purpose of convincing yourself that war is inevitable. It is a result of brainwashing. Nobody is discussing your reasons about how war is inevitable. It is possible to give thousands of reasons why war is inevitable. It is a circular argument that goes nowhere. Brainwashed people use circular reasoning over logic in order to think. They think in contradictions. They cannot tell the difference because their brain comes up with rationalizations to fill in illogical gaps.

Your argument along with thousands of others make no difference from the facts at hand. War is not inevitable, but there are thousands of ways to rationalize that it is inevitable.

The question is not whether chaos has anything to do with war. The question is why are you rationalizing excuses to make war inevitable. If it's not that excuse, it's another. You know nothing about order, chaos, decay, and entropy of systems.
 
lixluke said:
War is not inevitable, but there are thousands of ways to rationalize that it is inevitable.
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Humans have been in conflict with other humans since the beginning of human existence .....how do you think you can stop that? ...with just a few words and a typed up theory?

You have a lot to learn about humans ....a helluva lot!!

Baron Max
 
Stephen said:
Animals live in peace and harmony..
Animals do compete, invasive species do eliminate others,
bugs do dominate global fauna, mammals were food for
dinosaurs before the "big crash"...

Peace and harmony is a human-made concept, but it is
reffering to state of balance in ecosystem. On various
levels of interrelations in nature; destruction, elimination,
domination, balance and inbalance are just always happening...
Not just symbiosis, mutualism, endosymbiosis, coexistence.
Face it. You are deliberately seeing just one side of the medal.
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Actually, I am being sarcastic; and I am highly amused that neither you nor Licks Luke considered it, rightly, so absurd as to question my seriousness.
 
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