Masturbation is for Losers

[Lori_7]

Lori,

No Lori, it is only those that let their emotions and imaginations rule that make you think that way. You’ve only ever experienced your own imagination intensely encouraged by your emotions.

You're wrong about me Cris. I abhor the type of irrational behaviour that you are suggesting...especially in myself. I'm a woman, and I hate it when I see myself acting like "the typical woman". I think the "typical woman" gives us all a bad name. I'm actually most attracted to objectivity and discipline and law. I'm a left-brained person, and have a mild case of ocd. I'm a math whiz, and enjoy logic puzzles as a form of entertainment. One of my teachers described me as a little human computer. I'm not a creator, I'm a computer. I have an aversion to imagination because it is false. I hate lies. They turn life into nothing more than a movie...for entertainment purposes only. If you live according to lies, and telling lies, you make your life worthless...to you anyway.

Listen, there is an entire body of recorded musical works from this guy's band to back me up here...and a lot more. They're on their 7th record..the last went platinum...they've won an mtv award and another...what some would consider more prestigious even. There are all kinds of witnesses. There will be fruit from what's happened to me like nobody's ever seen fruit. I'm so excited. Young people coming to know Christ like they should, but have never really been given the opportunity to before. We're going to touch people that organized religion would shun. It's time for a revolution...and I'm so excited to be a part of it. The time for sitting on the fence is over. The time for playing house with God once or twice a week is over. The shit is about to hit the fan, and I'm all about it. I just can't wait to see what happens next.

I went as far as possible before realizing the futility and the absurdity of the Christian concept.

It is pretty far out, but it's also logical, and according to science and law and everything that is observable and experienced. What particularly do you find to be so absurd?

My approach to almost all things in life has been direct personal experience. I have no problem now seeing through the brainwashing of religious institutions, but I didn’t have that ability when I was a child. But was there something of value beneath the brainwashing – that was my pursuit.

That's good to know. That's how God operates too...through personal experience. That is why religious institutions can not give you what you need. What you need is personal experience. All that an organization can give you is a place...some testimony, if you're lucky...some Holy Spirit inspired preaching, if you're lucky...some fellowship, if you're lucky. Truth is that I don't believe in luck...and God has taught me many valuable things outside of the walls of organized religion. Think about Jesus' experience within the Temple when He was alive. What did He do there? How was He received? In the Gospel of John, where did Nicodemus seek to meet with Jesus personally, to talk about being born again? Do you understand the meaning behind their conversation? You should...it may enlighten you...if you wish.

My most sincere advice to you is to not give up on your pursuit, because it is a noble one.

 

[Lori_7]

Lori ... everyone goes thru stretches without sex. There were times when I couldn't get laid in a woman's prison with a hand full of pardons. Its no big deal. If you want to wait for Mr. Right then I admire your patience.

After reading this thread's title I suspect you're suffering from low self esteem with the loser label you've attached to it. If your not willing to do anything about it then you will continue to suffer. Its totally unnecessary, you're a woman, so act like one.

I'm not sure if I understand what you're talking about. I don't have low self-esteem in the traditional sense anyway. I mean, there is a massive dose of humility that is associated with knowing God Himself, but other than that...well ironically, because of that, I am extremely confident.

The whole purpose of this thread actually, was to affectionately criticize (if there is such a thing) the lovely man that I overheard talking about masturbation. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[leopold]

Both. I would instinctively pray throughout the entire ordeal, while communicating with whomever God sent my way to help. You should hear me cry out when I need help...I'm good at it...emphatic. If I need help, everyone knows it...especially God.

you would not trust god enough to save your child? i don't blame you. personally i believe you like getting under peoples skin.

 

[PsychoticEpisode]

Lori.....Then I humbly apologize, I misunderstood.

Don't know if I've ever overheard anyone talking about masturbation. Do you think your guy wanted you to hear him?

 

[Lori_7]

Ah, you going on about this rock star that your god had promised you sometime a year and a half ago? We spoke then and I asked if you'd consider yourself in need of psychiatric attention if these god promises turned out fruitless. They did, and yet you continue along this perverse, deluded little dream of yours despite what reality has to say on the matter. Your parents want you to get a brain scan, your very own god failed you, and yet you drag yourself deeper into the stinking, festering pile of old doo-doo's and for what? Of all the people I know you spend more time claiming to have a personal relationship with god, and of all the people I know you come across as being the biggest mental case of all of them. I wonder why that is.

Someone who is blessed by the hand of god, speaks to god, feels god, has a relationship with god - and yet seemingly everyone that knows you sees a distinct problem. A problem so severe that your parents demand you have a brain scan. Pay attention to it Lori, because unless you pulll yourself out of this "illness" of yours, you will be lost to the real world forever.

Kindest regards,

Steve

P.S Nothing wrong whatsoever with masturbation. It is in actuality quite an important "ritual" to go through. Sperm has a shelf life, it needs to be expelled every now and then. When a fanny is not closeby, the hand does a good enough job.

Hey pook,

Yea, you know, I was just yelling at Him about this very thing the other night. It's just not the harvest season yet, Snake. It's been 2 years since this crazy shit started, and I'm not done waiting. And just so you know, I yell at Him, like the idiot that I am, saying "What the hell kind of witness is this (referring to my current state of existence) supposed to be?!?!?!?! And that's cleaning the conversation up quite a bit for you guys. It's just not time yet. I know, from knowing Him, that what will be manifested and shown will be perfect and in perfect time. I know that Snake. I promise...you'll see.

 

[leopold]

Ah, you going on about this rock star that your god had promised you sometime a year and a half ago? We spoke then and I asked if you'd consider yourself in need of psychiatric attention if these god promises turned out fruitless. They did, and yet you continue along this perverse, deluded little dream of yours despite what reality has to say on the matter. Your parents want you to get a brain scan, your very own god failed you, and yet you drag yourself deeper into the stinking, festering pile of old doo-doo's and for what? Of all the people I know you spend more time claiming to have a personal relationship with god, and of all the people I know you come across as being the biggest mental case of all of them. I wonder why that is.

Someone who is blessed by the hand of god, speaks to god, feels god, has a relationship with god - and yet seemingly everyone that knows you sees a distinct problem.

Kindest regards,

Steve

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what is this about lori?

 

[Lori_7]

you would not trust god enough to save your child? i don't blame you. personally i believe you like getting under peoples skin.

Dude, why would I pray if I didn't trust God to save my child? I've seen God do freakishly weird miraculous shit (not that I don't believe in a scientific explaination of such), BUT with no readily available scientific explanation of such. And I've seen Him move and work through people around me (even though the people themselves had no idea how they were being used). See, I know that God created all of us, and all of the nature, and all of the laws regarding it, that science discovers and documents. It is no surprise to me that God operates through it and within it. I've seen it and experienced it. It's not "magic"...nothing is "magic". There is only understood and not understood...known and not known.

 

[Lori_7]

Ah, you going on about this rock star that your god had promised you sometime a year and a half ago? We spoke then and I asked if you'd consider yourself in need of psychiatric attention if these god promises turned out fruitless. They did, and yet you continue along this perverse, deluded little dream of yours despite what reality has to say on the matter. Your parents want you to get a brain scan, your very own god failed you, and yet you drag yourself deeper into the stinking, festering pile of old doo-doo's and for what? Of all the people I know you spend more time claiming to have a personal relationship with god, and of all the people I know you come across as being the biggest mental case of all of them. I wonder why that is.

Someone who is blessed by the hand of god, speaks to god, feels god, has a relationship with god - and yet seemingly everyone that knows you sees a distinct problem.

Kindest regards,

Steve

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what is this about lori?

It's about a spiritual occurance, or miracle if you will, that happened to me about 2 years ago. It's trippy.

 

[Lori_7]

Lori.....Then I humbly apologize, I misunderstood.

Don't know if I've ever overheard anyone talking about masturbation. Do you think your guy wanted you to hear him?

It's cool, man. Um, I'm not sure if he wanted me to hear him, but he should have known that I definitely would. He has to know that I keep tabs on him very closely.

Here's the thing. This guy is "fresh" as far as being born again. He's like a little baby spiritually, as far as this is concerned. More than that, he's coming out of a situation...a darkness...that is hard for me to even understand. BUT, because he is a rockstar...because God has placed him in this position or notariety...he has this platform and this audience of kids. They're young and impressionable kids...more than that...they are kids who really need love and guidance, and may be attracted to him because they don't get it from anyone else in their lives. He has almost an occult like following...these kids cling to his every word. Sometimes I think it's hard for him to realize how important what he has to impart to these kids is. It's life or death. He's been given an enormous responsibility and priviledge. I don't want to criticize him...I love him, and he is actually my spiritual leader. But he's got some growing to do. This growth will occur in the limelight...which is something that I don't envy. Being born again isn't easy, and he is a role model...whether he likes it or not...it's who he is chosen to be. I know, from knowing God that he is perfect for the job. I'm just trying to help him. I know that he wants an honest woman...not some kiss-ass. I hope he always knows that I admire him more than I do anyone else on this earth. He is the strongest, most passionate, and disciplined person I've ever heard of. And that's why I want to belong to him...that's why I trust him...and that's why God has chosen him to testify.

Also, because of what he has been through already from a spiritual standpoint, I always tend to think of him as being the stronger, and more enlightened one of us two. It's difficult for me to realize that he may need me for something. He's so smart and gifted and strong and just amazing. I make the mistake of expecting him to be perfect. Maybe because I know that he's perfect for me. It's hard to explain.

I think that it may be difficult for him to realize just who he actually is in Christ. I know that it is hard for me to realize this about myself...and I'm nobody compared to him.

And one more thing....the thing is...that he was just being honest. So he is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. He was honestly expressing his lack of fulfillment in regards to masturbation. I'm simply trying to explain to him and others why that is, and confirm what he's already experienced with what I've learned from my own experience, and with scripture.

 

[PsychoticEpisode]

Could you impart some of his wisdom here on this forum? If he is as great as you say he is then why not? I'm sure we'd all love to hear some, tough to pass judgement on him without knowing what you're raving about.

 

[leopold]

Dude, why would I pray if I didn't trust God to save my child? QUOTE]
then why seek medical attention?

 

[Lori_7]

Could you impart some of his wisdom here on this forum? If he is as great as you say he is then why not? I'm sure we'd all love to hear some, tough to pass judgement on him without knowing what you're raving about.

True. But it's not my place to tell his story. He will tell it himself...and is telling it himself right now...always has been. You would just need to be familarized with his work. I can't say who he is right now...it's not my place. He is a member out here on exosci. He is the one with the platform, the audience, the microphone, and his own experience. I'm not qualified to speak for him. He has to do that himself, and definitely will. It's a waiting game. God is all about seed and harvest. And much to our dismay in the flesh, there is a season in between.

Also, I wanted to point out that in all of the gospels, Jesus is quoted as saying that you have to be humbled like a child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Lori_7]

Dude, why would I pray if I didn't trust God to save my child? QUOTE]
then why seek medical attention?

Why not? I just said that God works through the natural...works through people. Why wouldn't you seek medical attention? God helps those who help themselves...rather, God helps those who want and seek help. And many times, God moves through people. After all, science and technology is not mutually exclusive of God. Science is the discovery and study of all that God has created. Science is the how, and God is the why. But rest assured that whether or not we understand the how, He will and does heal. I know that He healed me of a 21 year long drug addiction, and I have no idea how, but He still did. I know that there exists some scientific explanation of what He did to me...I just don't know what it is. And quite honestly, I don't care, as long as it works, and He does.

 

[leopold]

I know that there exists some scientific explanation of what He did to me...I just don't know what it is. And quite honestly, I don't care, as long as it works, and He does.

thank you lori. read about the placebo effect. your own mind can make you physically sick. as far as miracles go, they happen. and yes prayer does work. and always remember that hope is a powerful motivater.

i shall turn it over.

 

[Lucidfox]

Are you serious?!? Good grief man, isn't getting married and having sex with your wife an option? Yea, I don't masturbate, but raping someone is an alternative?!?!?!? WTF??

I'm not saying that people should ever rape someone as an alternative, I'm saying that if men hold it in for their whole lives their bottled up desires could lead them to do something bad, we're only human after all. And some people either can't find someone to be their wife(either because of uglyness or lack of social skills)or they're waiting for the perfect wife or they just don't want to go through the responsibility and commitment of marriage. Also, God himself said that it's better not to get married(I don't know why seeing that making babies is the only way to keep the human race going)

 

[Medicine*Woman]

I'm not saying that people should ever rape someone as an alternative, I'm saying that if men hold it in for their whole lives their bottled up desires could lead them to do something bad, we're only human after all. And some people either can't find someone to be their wife(either because of uglyness or lack of social skills)or they're waiting for the perfect wife or they just don't want to go through the responsibility and commitment of marriage. Also, God himself said that it's better not to get married(I don't know why seeing that making babies is the only way to keep the human race going)

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M*W: Rape is not the outcome of men who "hold it in." Rape is an act of violence against women that rarely has anything to do with a man's sexual needs. Rapists rape for perverted psychological reasons. To rapists it's an act of total control over a woman. Men who "hold it in" don't turn into rapists. They are usually lonely and inept, or they've been brainwashed by their parents that masturbation is a sin. When these type of men get an opportunity with a woman, they usually blow it (no pun intended). They tend to lack confidence in themselves. I believe there is somebody for everybody. They've just got to get out there, build up their confidence and social skills, and think positively.

 

[Lori_7]

I'm not saying that people should ever rape someone as an alternative, I'm saying that if men hold it in for their whole lives their bottled up desires could lead them to do something bad, we're only human after all. And some people either can't find someone to be their wife(either because of uglyness or lack of social skills)or they're waiting for the perfect wife or they just don't want to go through the responsibility and commitment of marriage. Also, God himself said that it's better not to get married(I don't know why seeing that making babies is the only way to keep the human race going)

Self control most definitely is an option. And nothing is impossible with God. Ugliness or lack of social skills? Come on man...there's someone out there for everyone. And the whole point is that God can hook you up if you ask Him to, and expect Him to. And God Himself said that it depends, what is best. What is best for some is not best for others. What He said was that it was best to marry, if the alternative is what you're suggesting. What He said was, in a nutshell, if you're going to be wanting sex, then it's best to marry. God did not, obviously, create sex and marriage for no good reason. Obviously it's a big deal...it perpetuates the human race. Odds are that Jesus was married, and He was God in the flesh. So what does that say? He is the ultimate role model.

 

[Lori_7]

 

[PsychoticEpisode]

True. But it's not my place to tell his story. He will tell it himself...and is telling it himself right now...always has been. You would just need to be familarized with his work. I can't say who he is right now...it's not my place. He is a member out here on exosci. He is the one with the platform, the audience, the microphone, and his own experience. I'm not qualified to speak for him. He has to do that himself, and definitely will. It's a waiting game. God is all about seed and harvest. And much to our dismay in the flesh, there is a season in between.

Also, I wanted to point out that in all of the gospels, Jesus is quoted as saying that you have to be humbled like a child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

I've heard of messiah complexes before but never a Mary Magdalen complex. I suppose this is possible. Trying to decipher your hidden meanings leads me to believe your rock star is nothing more than JC himself. If I'm wrong and this person is a real present day breathing idol then he is merely a substitute for JC in your mind. Either way you want to be Mary. I've never given any thought to women wishing they could be JC's groupie but I imagine it goes on all the time. Hope I'm Wrong. You're mysterious and compelling so I just took a shot at it.

 

[Lori_7]

I've heard of messiah complexes before but never a Mary Magdalen complex. I suppose this is possible. Trying to decipher your hidden meanings leads me to believe your rock star is nothing more than JC himself. If I'm wrong and this person is a real present day breathing idol then he is merely a substitute for JC in your mind. Either way you want to be Mary. I've never given any thought to women wishing they could be JC's groupie but I imagine it goes on all the time. Hope I'm Wrong. You're mysterious and compelling so I just took a shot at it.

Interesting. Honestly, the idolatry and lust that is often associated with this guy is kind of creepy. Most of his fans aren't like that though. They can be blasphemous, calling him a god or god or whatever, but they're not intending to offend...they just don't know any better. They're actually just trying to compliment him...and it's the thought that counts. I'm assuming that he will find a gentle way of putting an end to such labeling. He has had many fans tell him that his words and the bands music and what it all means to them has saved their lives. I don't understand how, and neither does he...it's not what he intended. But it's what God has chosen to do through him and his band. God used this man to save my life too, and me his. This guy is actually the apostle John reincarnated, not Jesus. But good guess...

I know that a lot of what I say could use some further explanation, but I don't want to go on and on. If you have questions about what I'm talking about or want me to expound on anything, then just ask.