Masculinity and men

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Buddha1

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What is masculinity? What is femininity?

What is natural masculinity and how is it different from social masculinity?

What role does masculinity play in a man's life? How does it affect men's lives? Do the social notions of masculinity and femininity (social masculinity and social femininity) harm men? How?

How is social gender manipulated to control the lives of men, especially their sexual lives?
 
Wow, ye're asking for an entire college course, a full year at least, in sociology and pschology ...and on a discussion forum?! :)

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What is Bhudda1ism? What is Bhudda2ism?

What is natural Bhudda1ism and how is it different from social Bhudda1ism?

What role does Bhudda1ism play in a poster's life? How does it affect posters' lives? Do the social notions of Bhudda1ism and Bhudda2ism (social Bhudda1ism and social Bhudda2ism ) harm posters? How?

How is social gender manipulated to control the lives of posters, especially their dreams of Bhudda1?
 
Ha! I knew it, yet another Buddha1's penisland thread.

For others less stressed about these things: a light porn, striptease and sex news video-cast: http://www.mskitka.com/categories/KITKAST
Quite good! :)

/sneers @ how he is "ruining" masculinity of men in this thread
 
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Buddha1 said:
What is masculinity? What is femininity?

me))))interesting questions.

What is natural masculinity and how is it different from social masculinity?

me)))))well, social masculinity is based surely on---NOT SHOWING EMOTION< FEELINGS< which includes not crying of course. THIS social masculinity is imposed on the male youth. and it is therefore no surprise that the highest suicide rates are wit young men
NATURA masculinity would NOT be tat. it qould be males not being ashamed of feelings,of senusality. this would of course include eroticization. a much moreopen erotic capacity, not just with women, other males, but with all of Nature

What role does masculinity play in a man's life? How does it affect men's lives? Do the social notions of masculinity and femininity (social masculinity and social femininity) harm men? How?

me)))))))VERY much, harm, as i have briefly explained above. ....his attitude also breeds facsism. This mindwset ha never really gone nywhere. it is ASSUMED it was just part of Italian and Germanic history in early partsof 20 century--which of course affected the world, but it is always with us as long aspatriarchal domination keeps its power-over philosophy

Thispatriarchy promotes social masculinity. it promotes cut throat business, war mongering, obeyance of authority no matter what instance, and the suppresion of sexuality and psychedelic experience.
To seriously challenge it one must explore its history!

How is social gender manipulated to control the lives of men, especially their sexual lives?
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via 'family values'--ie the patriarchal familiy unit with social-masculine daddy at the top= 'God' and/or materiaistic science
 
Ophiolite said:
What is Bhudda1ism? What is Bhudda2ism?

What is natural Bhudda1ism and how is it different from social Bhudda1ism?

What role does Bhudda1ism play in a poster's life? How does it affect posters' lives? Do the social notions of Bhudda1ism and Bhudda2ism (social Bhudda1ism and social Bhudda2ism ) harm posters? How?

How is social gender manipulated to control the lives of posters, especially their dreams of Bhudda1?
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Ophiolite, give me one reason why I shouldn't treat you like a troll. I've been taking you seriously, inspite of your eccentricities --- only because in the beginning you seemed a serious debater, and once you guided me (for which I'm still grateful!).

But apart from these two instances you've done nothing that would deserve you the respect I hold for you.

And to think that you'd pretended to be 'scientific' all along, insisting on 'peer-reviewed papers' all along. And that you'd been 'ignoring' people, rather childishly, for their supposedly 'misbehaviour' with you.

In this post you have shown a poor attempt at sarcasm --- and you'd get no better than fools like Avatar to support you. Obviously, you don't have a great sense of humour.

Are you an odd ball?
 
Avatar said:
Ha! I knew it, yet another Buddha1's penisland thread.

For others less stressed about these things: a light porn, striptease and sex news video-cast: http://www.mskitka.com/categories/KITKAST
Quite good! :)

/sneers @ how he is "ruining" masculinity of men in this thread
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Avatar, what bothers me about you is not that you're an asexual transvestite. But that you've a disgusting disrespect for men and their issues. And you must poke your nose.
 
Since Ophiolite is here, let me bring over the discussion about 'pressures of social masculinity' from the thread "Is Gender Orientation Biological".

Ophiolite had asked for proofs that men in the west face pressures of social masculinity. And when I gave him several external proofs, including socio-scientific studies by Universities --- he in his typical style made himself scarce (not a masculine trait!). You'd expect him not to meddle with the issue anymore. But what do you know, he shows his face again, unperturbed to act as a troll.

Ophiolite, there is more to being a man, than procreating!
 
But, Buddha1, aren't you yourself a social influence on men's masculinity, by telling them that real men hug penis? :rolleyes:

p.s. I loved that post about me! :D save-as
 
Another evidence that men in the west face pressures of social masculinity --- including to perform (hetero)sexually:

Today, I saw a sit-com on the Star world (produced for BBC). The programme was titled "Coupling" (I think). I'm sure some of you would have watched it too. There was this guy who had a 'failure' (failed to get an erection) when he was sleeping with his date. He became extremely distressed at this. He felt really hurt and down. He begged his date not to tell anyone that he had a 'failure'.

Surely, men in the west very much feel the pressures of social masculinity. the issue now is what makes people like Ophiolite strongly spread lies and seek to stop truth from being discussed, by maintaining that there are no such pressures.
 
Buddha1 said:
Today, I saw a sit-com on the Star world (produced for BBC). The programme was titled "Coupling" (I think). I'm sure some of you would have watched it too. There was this guy who had a 'failure' (failed to get an erection) when he was sleeping with his date. He became extremely distressed at this. He felt really hurt and down. He begged his date not to tell anyone that he had a 'failure'.
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And yet 'sex with women' is not an integral or important part of natural masculinity --- in fact it is not a part at all. It was made part of social masculinty only to force men to procreate, by creating social pressures, a couple of thousand of years ago. But all along till the modern times, the society was ambiguous about it --- and all macho traditional customs and spaces insisted on men keeping away from women in order to preserve their masculinity.
 
Oh, but why do you think that men need that glorified and defined by you masculinity?
It's not that it's an integral part of being alive or enjoying life.
 
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But, Buddha1, aren't you yourself a social influence on men's masculinity, by telling them that real men hug penis? :rolleyes:
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You're giving me too much importance. I am just one vague person. Whatever power my posts have is the power of speaking the truth.

People will only be affected with what I'm saying if they can relate with it.
 
Buddha1 said:
Are you an odd ball?
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Decidedly. I am known to my contemporaries as the Professor, with all the stereotypical connotations one would expect. Right wingers think me a communist. Socialists are sure I am in the pocket of big business.

Bhudda1, I am treating your current posts with a dismissive contempt for at least four reasons:
1. You have not played the debating game fairly. I, and others, have refuted your so called evidence, and you have denied this.
2. You have disregarded the data we have submitted in support of conventional views.
3. This one really annoys me. Your definitions of gender and sexuality are, it seems to me, the reverse of what conventional sexology uses. In short, it is as if you were to insist that black is that very bright mix of all colours, and white is the total absence of colour. Talking about the same thing, but reversing all convention. Really pisses me off.
4. You spew things out with no co-ordination, no systematic presentation of your ideas. No structure. I have to deal with imbeciles at work who struggle to bring structure to their work. Do I really have to put up with it when relaxing.

On the plus side you are, I suspect, well meaning and genuinely want to convince others of your hypothesis. It's just that you are so completely wrong it is painful to witness. I guess that is reason five.
 
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Oh, but why do you think that men need that glorified and defined by you masculinity?
It's not that it's an integral part of being alive or enjoying life.
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We are just discussing here. But discussing an issue that means life and death for men. Does that make this thread relevant?

I've never insisted on me doing the definitions. By all means participate and bring points of views sustained by logic/ evidences. I've decided to make a summary of the main points raised in the thread at the end of each thread and let people decide for themselves.
 
Buddha1 said:
Ophiolite, there is more to being a man, than procreating!
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You seem very hung up on this 'being a man' thing. I have generally been more concerned about being a human. I don't think I have thought sex was the be all and end all of existence since I was a teenager. That was a very long time ago.
Had you asked me outside of this context 'what does it mean to be a man', I should have automatically thought the question meant, 'what does it mean to be human' and would have responded accordingly.
Procreation would have been quite low down the list.
 
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