Man Comes Back to Life After Being 'Dead' for an Hour

classifications of death

Clinical Death
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_death

"is the popular term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest. The term is also sometimes used in resuscitation research.

Stopped blood circulation has historically been difficult to reverse. The absence of blood circulation and vital functions related to blood circulation was considered to be the definition of death. In the middle of the 20th century it became possible to often reverse cardiac arrest through cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR), defibrillation, epinephrine injection, and other treatments to restore normal heartbeat and circulation. Instead of death, cardiac arrest came to be called "clinical death", meaning the clinical appearance of death. Clinical death is now seen as a medical condition that precedes death rather than actually being dead."
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Brain Death

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death
Brain death is a legal definition of death that emerged in the 1960s as a response to the ability to resuscitate individuals and mechanically keep the heart and lungs working. In simple terms, brain death is the irreversible end of all brain activity
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actually that artical is slightly wrong its brain STEM death but close enough

persistent vegetative state (PVS)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_vegetative_state

Legal/Ethical Definition
As opposed to brain death, PVS is not recognized as death in any legal system. This legal grey area has led to several court cases involving people in a PVS, those who believe that they should be allowed to die, and those who are equally determined that, if recovery is possible, care should continue. This ethical issue raises questions about autonomy, quality of life, appropriate use of resources, the wishes of family members, professional responsibilities, and many more.
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Death is not a black and white issue
 
Death is not a black and white issue
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So true, we just change ourselves from a physical energy form to a pure energy form . Some call this transition "death" where I call is a "transition".
 
if thats your belief

I was however talking about it in a medical and legal sence
 
skinWalker as i tried to point out if by dead you mean the total cesation of brain and brain stem activity then your right he wasnt dead

But if you mean clinically dead, the point where resperation stops then sure he was. People can "ride the flat line" and live to tell the tail

It depends on why they were in asistoly for starters. Babies esspecially are rather good at being resusitated because they go into arest in general from drowing ect However a 98 year old who has a massive heart atack or a guy with his head cut off, not so good for reusitation

Death by Hypothemia is a really GOOD case of where you should atempt resusitation especially when combined with drowning because the cold preserves the mussle tissues so there can be little damage

Some heart surgury can ONLY be done on pt who are clinically dead so the surgon has to stop there heart before starting the surgury
 
the human brain cannot go with out oxagen for more than i think 5 mintutes so someone screwed up the time
 
pjdude1219 Your wrong on that:

Firstly thats the average time before brain damage NOT death
Second if hypothermia sets in the brain can survive longer
Thirdly you forgot about the CPR

CPR is NOT (despite what people think) a treatment for cardiac arest. It is a method of keeping the brain and heart purfused until treatment can be applied. The treatment for arest being defib, adrenilin and atropine
 
Asguard said:
Spidergoat what is dead? clinically dead? brain dead?
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As far as I'm concerned, "I" am my upper brain activity: consciousness, dreaming, etc. So when that is gone, "I" will be dead. As long as there is a reasonable chance that "I" am still in my body, I'll trust my loved ones to decide how long to keep trying to revive "me." But I don't want anybody keeping my body and autonomic nervous system alive when "I" am no longer in it. (E.g., the medical establishment, who often will happily keep the pulse and respiration going in a corpse so long as somebody's paying for it.)

Judging from all these posts, I think it's incontrovertible that an adult brain at room temperature that has had no oxygen supply for fifteen minutes has suffered irreversible degradation of the synapses. That makes consciousness and dreaming impossible; all the thoughts and memories have been erased.

So people who are "clinically dead" can sometimes be revived, which means they were never "dead" in the sense of irreversible synaptic degradation. Their thoughts and memories were still there and it was possible to get their brains functioning again.

Even hard-core religionists should not have a problem with my definition. If a person who appears dead can be revived, then he wasn't really dead and his "soul" had not yet gone to the "afterlife." Maybe we can't tell for sure if the person is dead yet, but their "god" knows and that's what counts. In their model of the universe, death is a one-way trip just like it is in the natural universe the rest of us inhabit. People don't come back from the "afterlife," except in cases so rare that they become part of the fabric of their religion.

It's only the woo-woo people who talk about "coming back from the dead" or "near-death experiences." If your brain has been operating under an oxygen deficit for several minutes, it might not be operating in its normal fashion. You might very well wake up with some pretty strange synaptic connections that feel just like new "memories" of astounding "experiences."

Duh!
 
oh i see you were refering to a Philosophical rather than legal or medical definition

oh and no doctors and ESPECIALLY the goverment is not happy about keeping people on life surport past the time when its worth it (Life surport is very expencive). There are 2 exceptions to this though. The first is that it keeps organs viable for transplant, thats the simple reason. The difficult one is that medical staff want it to be the family decision to take someone off life surport and they want them to have time to say goodbye if they wish. The same thing when the ambo's decide to discontinue resusitation. First thing is that ALL of the ambo's must agree if any dissagree then it will continue untill they decide its time to stop. Once the ambo's have decided to cease intervention CPR will continue while one ambo takes the family aside and speaks to them. THEY will make the final decision. there are a few more procidures having to do with medical equiptment like the heart monitor but its beside the point
(sorry sometimes i ramble)


The point is that doctors dont keep pts on life surport when there is no hope
 
The point is that doctors dont keep pts on life surport when there is no hope
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In some cases doctors cannot remove life support from any patient if their relatives don't want them removed.
 
true (although i have herd of legal cases to enable the docs to) but i was responding to this "(E.g., the medical establishment, who often will happily keep the pulse and respiration going in a corpse so long as somebody's paying for it.)"

The medical staff would ALWAYS rather the family made that choice (as i said in my post)
 
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