This post is in response to posts in Tropical or Sidereal: Which is the REAL Astrology?.
phlogistician,
Yes, premature babies have a birth date, but if an external event causes a baby to be born prematurely, is it tha date the baby was born, or the day it was supposed to be that matters. As babies born through Caesarian section aren't actualy 'born' but removed surgically, what is the event (and mechanism) that triggers the imprinting of the position (or not, as the Ephemeris are wildly innacurate) of the planets on the child?
The date the baby was born is the day that matters. That’s why astrologers ask for
the day you were born. The day you were
supposed to be born doesn’t matter. All that is is a doctor’s guess at the date of birth. I was due on the first of August. I was born the fifth. The day you were born is the day you came out of your mother’s womb and were exposed to the outside world. Okay, maybe Caecarian section isn’t “birth”, but when you are out of your mothers womb is what counts.
Pluto was discovered in 1930. What method did astrologers use to assign characteristics to it? Had astrologers noticed a need for a new planet to make sense of some behaviours prior to this point?
Astrologers looked at what was happening around the time Pluto was discovered. They did the same thing with Uranus and Neptune. They also looked at different people’s placements and compared and contrasted their lives to find a pattern.
Another thing they could do, since Pluto moves so slowly through the zodiac, was look at what was happening in the world during its transit through a certain sign and look for a Plutonian influence.
For example, Pluto was transiting Scorpio from 1984 to 1995. The sign of Scorpio rules sexuality, birth, and death. This is about the time the AIDS virus spread around the world. Dolly was cloned during this time. Babies were conceived in test tubes during this time too.
And guess what. Astrologers are still studying Pluto. We’ve only known of Pluto’s existence for about 75 years. Pluto is not yet fully understood.
Sounds like you've answered your own question then. As you admit tropical astronomy uses ephemeris which don't actually record the position of the planets, how can it then say a planet in a position, which it isn't in, has a specific effect? Or is it the numbers in the ephemris that are important. Or is it real, but the effect of the planets just happens to be offset by the exact amount of the inaccuracy of the ephemeris?
That is exactly what I am trying to find out with this thread! But no one has posted on the topic yet.
Show us the collated data then.
Of course, you can't. I however can disprove your supposed link easily. I share a birthday with a colleague, and have a friend who's birthday is just two days different from me. We are _not_ similar characters. In fact, we differ significantly.
There are more planets than just the sun! The moon has a strong influence, as does the Ascendant. Also, there are
nine other planets that affect certain points of your personality. Also, there are twelve houses in your birth chart. Which house a planet is in affects in what part of your life that planet acts.
OK, so show us the method that was used to test the hypothesis, and the data that was tested, so we can recreate the experiment ourselves and verify the results. THIS is how science is done, we just don't take your word for it.
Man, you’re difficult.
It happened thousands of years ago! No one can show the method used to test the hypothesis.
But guess what. We can study the planets today and verify astrology. If it was inconsistent, then it would have been dismissed. But it was consistent.
(Q),
Yet, you had to look up the word, 'hypothesis' in the dictionary.
I didn’t have to look up the word. I merely posted the entry to show you that you mislabeled it a theory, when it was in fact a hypothesis. I figured that you would say “prove it” if I didn’t post the definition.
No, what I described was the scientific method - look that up in your dictionary.
No, you said that they started with a theory. That was a mislabel. I was telling you that it was a hypothesis. Starting with a theory isn’t scientific method. Starting with a hypothesis is.
And while you're at it, could you tell us why astrology is not taught along with other sciences and why astrologers usually have no credentials of any kind?
Astrology
is taught with other sciences. How else can an astrologer become a “professional astrologer”?
If you claim to be scientific, then please explain exactly what properties the planets possess that affect people?
We don’t know that yet.
But guess what. Just because we don’t know why it works this way doesn’t mean it doesn’t work this way.
whitewolf,
Do you have all of that in your mind, or did you get a chart somewhere?
By that, do you mean to ask, “Did you memorized all the positions of all the planets for the year in which I was born, or did you get a birth chart that showed you the positions of the planets when I was born”?
If that is the question you are asking, no, I didn’t memorize the positions. Your birth chart showed your Ascendant line in Libra. It showed Venus in Libra, close to the Ascendant line and in the first house.
See, everyone keeps saying that virgos are these boring unimaginative clean-freaks. And unless I find a genius who finally admits it is not so in his astrological predictions and analysis, I will not believe these astrological thingies.
Virgos aren’t boring, unimaginative clean-freaks. You may like things being clean, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a
clean-freak.
Why are you waiting for a genius who will admit to you this is not so? Because you don’t like to be described that way?
Guess what. You still have the power of free will. You can control your life. These characteristics are merely tendencies. You can overcome tendencies. Astrology tells you what your tendencies are. That’s why astrology is a tool for bettering your life. You can look at unfavorable character traits and behaviors as obstacles to overcome.
