Large-Brained Simians Arose Independently

Interesting. It's more or less a case of convergent evolution. Both groups of primates evolved the same trait, presumably as a response to the same conditions.

I find it odd that a scientist wrote the phrase "apes and humans," since humans are apes.
 
Well this makes a good case for extraterrestial consciousness I think. If intelligence arose in two different places on the same planet, well... how many places could it happen throughout the universe?
 
blobrana said:
"Scientists Discover That Large-Brained Simians of the New and Old Worlds Independently Arose from Smaller-Brained Ancestors"

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Fraggle Rocker said:
Interesting. It's more or less a case of convergent evolution. Both groups of primates evolved the same trait, presumably as a response to the same conditions.

I find it odd that a scientist wrote the phrase "apes and humans," since humans are apes.
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EndLightEnd said:
Well this makes a good case for extraterrestial consciousness I think. If intelligence arose in two different places on the same planet, well... how many places could it happen throughout the universe?
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Maybe we're not so special after all..
 
The Ape superfamily, from Wiki
Listed are the families and genera of apes; also listed are the extant species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
Superfamily Hominoidea
Family Hylobatidae: gibbons
Genus Hylobates
Lar Gibbon or White-handed Gibbon, H. lar
Agile Gibbon or Black-handed Gibbon, H. agilis
Müller's Bornean Gibbon, H. muelleri
Silvery Gibbon, H. moloch
Pileated Gibbon or Capped Gibbon, H. pileatus
Kloss's Gibbon or Mentawai Gibbon or Bilou, H. klossii
Genus Hoolock
Western Hoolock Gibbon, H. hoolock
Eastern Hoolock Gibbon, H. leuconedys
Genus Symphalangus
Siamang, S. syndactylus
Genus Nomascus
Black Crested Gibbon, N. concolor
Eastern Black Crested Gibbon, N. nasutus
White-cheeked Crested Gibbon, N. leucogenys
Yellow-cheeked Gibbon, N. gabriellae
Family Hominidae: great apes
Genus Pongo: orangutans
Bornean Orangutan, P. pygmaeus
Sumatran Orangutan, P. abelii
Genus Gorilla: gorillas
Western Gorilla, G. gorilla
Eastern Gorilla, G. beringei
Genus Homo: humans
Human, H. sapiens
Genus Pan: chimpanzees
Common Chimpanzee, P. troglodytes
Bonobo, P. paniscus
 
eburacum45 said:
The Ape superfamily, from Wiki
Listed are the families and genera of apes; also listed are the extant species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
Superfamily Hominoidea
Family Hylobatidae: gibbons
Genus Hylobates
Lar Gibbon or White-handed Gibbon, H. lar
Agile Gibbon or Black-handed Gibbon, H. agilis
Müller's Bornean Gibbon, H. muelleri
Silvery Gibbon, H. moloch
Pileated Gibbon or Capped Gibbon, H. pileatus
Kloss's Gibbon or Mentawai Gibbon or Bilou, H. klossii
Genus Hoolock
Western Hoolock Gibbon, H. hoolock
Eastern Hoolock Gibbon, H. leuconedys
Genus Symphalangus
Siamang, S. syndactylus
Genus Nomascus
Black Crested Gibbon, N. concolor
Eastern Black Crested Gibbon, N. nasutus
White-cheeked Crested Gibbon, N. leucogenys
Yellow-cheeked Gibbon, N. gabriellae
Family Hominidae: great apes
Genus Pongo: orangutans
Bornean Orangutan, P. pygmaeus
Sumatran Orangutan, P. abelii
Genus Gorilla: gorillas
Western Gorilla, G. gorilla
Eastern Gorilla, G. beringei
Genus Homo: humans
Human, H. sapiens
Genus Pan: chimpanzees
Common Chimpanzee, P. troglodytes
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Yorda said:
really? i thought humans and apes just shared a common ancestor.
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Our genetic line split off far more recently than that.
  • The first primates appeared more than 70 million years ago, splitting off from the closely related shrews and sloths.
  • The monkeys split off from the lemurs and other primates about 40 mya.
  • The apes and the New World monkeys did a three-way split off from the Old World monkeys 25-30 mya.
  • The great apes and lesser apes (the gibbons) split about 18 mya.
  • The orangutan split off from the other great apes about 14 mya.
  • The remaining line split into the gorillas (there are now two species) and chimpanzees about 7mya.
  • The chimpanzees split into two genera: Pan (there are now two species: the true chimpanzee and the bonobo); and Homo (there is only one species now, H. sapiens, but there were more in the past, some of which are our direct ancestors) about 4mya.
Our divergence from the apes is quite recent; our ancestors were undifferentiated apes for more than 20 million years. So, not only are humans incontovertibly apes, but we are clearly great apes as opposed to gibbons. And a very persuasive case could be made for saying we are, specifically, chimpanzees.
 
yorda said:
that's wrong, read here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DP5/ape1.htm
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I tried reading that, and gave up after the tenth or eleventh major error in fact and argument (the one that I gave up on was the claim that JBS Haldane proved no major beneficial mutation could be completely established in a population in less than 300 generations, and therefore (!) only 1600 or so such mutations could separate modern humans from their ancestors of 10 million years).

It's garbage.
 
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Yorda said:
because they believe the same things that i do.
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That only explains why you think it's not garbage.
Do you have any evidence for asserting that the planets are alive and are following their own evolutionary path ?

Edit: ^^ never mind man :)
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
So, not only are humans incontovertibly apes, but we are clearly great apes as opposed to gibbons. And a very persuasive case could be made for saying we are, specifically, chimpanzees.
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I should prefer being a bonobo (which are no longer called pgymy chimps). The sex is better.:)
 
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