Kuwait Takes Some Small Steps...

[Repo Man]

Who knew that string's post could stir up such a shit storm? Can't everyone agree that this is step in the right direction? Or is there a good side to the oppression of women that I'm unaware of?

 

[DiamondHearts]

Yes, we have lots of similar problems when it comes to the nexus of politicians and Abrahamic fundamentalists.

That's why I'm so good at recognizing them in other countries.

Those "Abrahamic fundamentalists" gave you your current moral system, civilization, and everything of value which your society has. Without monotheism, the world would be worshiping idols, mere figures of wood and stone. Without religion, it is impossible to be a moral person. Those who claim to be moral atheists, they appropriate the morality of the "Abrahamic faiths."

 

[Repo Man]

Those "Abrahamic fundamentalists" gave you your current moral system, civilization, and everything of value which your society has. Without monotheism, the world would be worshiping idols, mere figures of wood and stone. Without religion, it is impossible to be a moral person. Those who claim to be moral atheists, they appropriate the morality of the "Abrahamic faiths."

Those who dismiss evolution as immoral often assume that religion is crucial to morality. As in: "People who believe in evolution have no basis for a moral code, other than the preeminent concern to pass on one's genetic inheritance."

In fact, there is growing evidence that we have an innate moral sense - that morality is something that evolved, in other words. This may seem surprising to those for whom the phrase "survival of the fittest" conjures up images of lions ripping each other to shreds and stags clashing antlers. But "the fittest" can mean the cleverest, the sneakiest, the best camouflaged, the least aggressive, the most attractive - or the least selfish.

Natural selection can favour altruism and fair play in certain circumstances. Behaviours such as loyalty to kin, intolerance of theft and punishment of cheats - the roots of morality - can be seen in many of our primate cousins.
http://www.newscientist.com/article...-accepting-evolution-undermines-morality.html

 

[superstring01]

...King Faisal, was assassinated by the Americans. They control Saudi Arabia, along with their puppets.

You're lying.

Faisal was killed by a family member of ridiculous conservative persuasions.

Can you support this claim or are we to take your word for it?

Gen Zia came in power with the help of the Americans as Z.A. Bhutto, being a Muslim patriot, was opposed to US meddling in the Muslim world. Then the US also killed Gen Zia in a plane crash and brought Benazir into power, who was merely their puppet.

Odd, that he died along with the US ambassador and the a high ranking general (who, if an assassination were conducted, would be the one ordering it, so it seems odd he'd kill himself and the ambassador at the same time).

Can you back this claim up, or is it your usual MO to post conspiracy theory as nonsense?

~String

 

[superstring01]

Those "Abrahamic fundamentalists" gave you your current moral system, civilization, and everything of value which your society has. Without monotheism, the world would be worshiping idols, mere figures of wood and stone. Without religion, it is impossible to be a moral person. Those who claim to be moral atheists, they appropriate the morality of the "Abrahamic faiths."

Great. And the polytheists gave every one of those monotheists the world they inherited. In some cases the world the monotheists inherited was better than the one they created.

~String

 

[S.A.M.]

In fact, there is growing evidence that we have an innate moral sense - that morality is something that evolved, in other words.

We call it fitra.

Great. And the polytheists gave every one of those monotheists the world they inherited. In some cases the world the monotheists inherited was better than the one they created.

~String

Better for whom?

 

[quadraphonics]

Those "Abrahamic fundamentalists" gave you your current moral system, civilization, and everything of value which your society has.

Which, according to you, amounts to almost nothing. So I'm having a hard time seeing how this adds up to an endorsement of such fundamentalists.

Without monotheism, the world would be worshiping idols, mere figures of wood and stone.

Or better yet, not worshipping at all.

Without religion, it is impossible to be a moral person.

And yet, I personally know numerous individuals who have pulled it off.

Those who claim to be moral atheists, they appropriate the morality of the "Abrahamic faiths."

One wonders, then, where the Abrahamic faiths appropriated the morality from, since it clearly existed before they did.

 

[S.A.M.]

Who knew that string's post could stir up such a shit storm? Can't everyone agree that this is step in the right direction? Or is there a good side to the oppression of women that I'm unaware of?

That depends, such steps have occurred before in Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran,with dire and lasting consequences. The problem with self determination is that people begin to recognise their rights and they frequently clash with the entitlement mentalities of the powerful. e.g. are you willing to accept a much lower standard of living if that is what is required for these women to continue being liberated?

 

[Arsalan]

That would almost be funny, if it didn't have such ominous implications about you.

See above.

What ominous implications? That a large majority of women want to be educated but focus on other things?

So there is no evidence that my statements were false?

And yet, you claim that contradictory evidence does not exist. Strange, that.

On the contrary, it is you who dont have evidence. My evidence would be most cases in Iran.

When there's a law that says you have to wear a veil, and enforcement agencies tasked with locating and punishing anyone who does not comply, that is force, regardless of whether individuals would want to comply anyway.

If all Iranian women want to wear the veil, then why does the law exist in the first place?

If all women in, say, England, want to wear clothes, why do we have decency laws in place? Surely it doesnt need to be enforced?

Why do so many Iranian women give up the veil as soon as they leave Iran?

because most Western countries almost force them to. Want a job? Veil off. Education? Veil off.

Why do so many of them complain that it is oppressive?

HAndful complain and if they dont want it or dont like, they can always campaign against it or find a place that is more to their liking.

 

[Arsalan]

Can you feel it? It's the sound of another thread going to hell because of pro-"Palestinian" zealots! lol

pro-Israeli zealots you mean

Dude, you know who is a REAL Palestinian? Ariel Sharon. He was BORN in Palestine. Even Arafish wasn't born in Palestine. He was born in Egypt. Ok do you really want to get into this, AGAIN?

Oh, so now there are Palestinians? Interesting.

Foreign aliens from surrounding Arab "countries" (there were no "countries" in much of the Arab world pre 1920) who swarmed into Palestine to get jobs at newly-created Jewish farms, who were constructed on freshly-cleared-out swamps with malaria, who btw died from malaria (the Jews, that is, not the foreign Arab aliens), are not really "Palestinian", even though they were bred to believe so.

Funny, if it was all swamps, then where did the Irgun carry out their terrorist actions and against what? If it was all swamps, what deeds and keys do the Palestinians still have from their homes and properties?

 

[Repo Man]

If all women in, say, England, want to wear clothes, why do we have decency laws in place? Surely it doesnt need to be enforced?

Tu quo que fallacy. But you're right, such laws are silly, and a remnant of the bad old days when Christians had more influence. They should not exist.

 

[S.A.M.]

Anyone who thinks such laws are silly should protest them by going to work in the nude and insisting that anyone who works for them should strip. You know, practise what you preach.

 

[DiamondHearts]

You're lying.

Faisal was killed by a family member of ridiculous conservative persuasions.

Can you support this claim or are we to take your word for it?

He was killed by his nephew who was returning from studying in the US, after King Faisal had encouraged all the OPEC nations to boycott America for its support of Israel. America was suffering a recession because of him. After he was assassinated, no other patriotic Saudi was ever allowed to get anywhere near power in Saudi Arabia. They have been puppets ever since.

Ask anyone from Saudi Arabia, its the secret everyone knows but no one talks about. His own family members attested to this fact.

Odd, that he died along with the US ambassador and the a high ranking general (who, if an assassination were conducted, would be the one ordering it, so it seems odd he'd kill himself and the ambassador at the same time).

Gen. Zia was murdered because during the last few years of his reign, he became sympathetic to Anti-American Nationalist groups in Afghanistan and also the Muslim world. He became increasingly anti-American in his rhetoric, to the extent that Washington openly condemned him as a dictator and tyrant, after they backed him into power and helped him get rid of Z.A. Bhutto (the bigger threat to American hegemony and a friend of King Faisal). Gen. Zia boarded an American Hercules C-180b 'Pak One', which he had not boarded several months due to fear of assassination, attending a demonstration of the American Abrams tank, which was a complete sham, he was killed on his way back as the driver intentionally crashed the plane.

 

[otheadp]

Oh, so now there are Palestinians?

Ma fish Falasteen... so no, there are no "Palestinians".

Funny, if it was all swamps, then where did the Irgun carry out their terrorist actions and against what? If it was all swamps, what deeds and keys do the Palestinians still have from their homes and properties?

Swamps were cleared, population in then-Palestine grew, including that of foreign aliens' from surrounding Arab "countries". As for Irgun's "terrorist" activities, that was after the swamps were cleared, and many Jews died of malaria in the process. The defensive measures taken by the Irgun were after they realized the Brits were not keeping their promises, and when terrorist foreign alien violence has increased.

 

[S.A.M.]

Ma fish Falasteen... so no, there are no "Palestinians".
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There was no holocaust?

Denial doesn't change anything. I recommend you read up the Book of Haganah history for the extent of the nakba

 

[superstring01]

He was killed by his nephew who was returning from studying in the US, after King Faisal had encouraged all the OPEC nations to boycott America for its support of Israel. America was suffering a recession because of him. After he was assassinated, no other patriotic Saudi was ever allowed to get anywhere near power in Saudi Arabia. They have been puppets ever since.

Ask anyone from Saudi Arabia, its the secret everyone knows but no one talks about. His own family members attested to this fact.

Wow. That's your "proof"... more fluff. "As anybody in Saudi Arabia" counts as proof now.

Do you realize how utterly dense that sounds. I ask you for proof, and you provide even MORE conspiracy nonsense.

I thought you were supposed to be some kind of an intellectual.

Gen. Zia was murdered because during the last few years of his reign, he became sympathetic to Anti-American Nationalist groups in Afghanistan and also the Muslim world. He became increasingly anti-American in his rhetoric, to the extent that Washington openly condemned him as a dictator and tyrant, after they backed him into power and helped him get rid of Z.A. Bhutto (the bigger threat to American hegemony and a friend of King Faisal). Gen. Zia boarded an American Hercules C-180b 'Pak One', which he had not boarded several months due to fear of assassination, attending a demonstration of the American Abrams tank, which was a complete sham, he was killed on his way back as the driver intentionally crashed the plane.

Still more fluff and history. No proof. You do realize what the word "proof" means, don't you. Simply rambling on and telling me things I can look up at Wiki proves nothing. Proof generally means providing a source material document or some other research that is peer reviewed.

Sorry if I refuse to accept your ramblings about a conspiracy theory as proof of a conspiracy theory. You obviously have an ax to grind, so lets face it, you're pretty much willing to repeat any lie in order to save face or make the USA look bad.

~String

 

[Arsalan]

Ma fish Falasteen... so no, there are no "Palestinians".

Strange. Somehow even the British called that area "Palestine".

Swamps were cleared, population in then-Palestine grew, including that of foreign aliens' from surrounding Arab "countries". As for Irgun's "terrorist" activities, that was after the swamps were cleared, and many Jews died of malaria in the process. The defensive measures taken by the Irgun were after they realized the Brits were not keeping their promises, and when terrorist foreign alien violence has increased.

Ah yes, so thats why Jerusalem wasnt there and built by the Jews in the 1900s right? Or any of the other major cities, right? The fact is that the British promised the Arabs living there self determination if they helped fight the Turks. Lawrence of Arabia helped unite the Arabs and they won. But when the Turks were defeated, the French and British turned back on their word and carved up the area. Then the Zionist ideology flared up in Europe, sending loads of Jewish people, who had no connection with the area to go to their "Promised Land".However, they found that the British were not going to hand over the area to them, so they declared Jihad on the British and the Arabs. The British ran off like cowards, while the Arabs who were promised self determination and had lived there for generations and had been massacred by the Irgun, took a stand and fought back.

 

[DiamondHearts]

If you believe the US does not actively eliminate its political opponents in the Muslim world, you are naive. Not only naive, but you are unwillingly played into the hands of occupiers and oppressors. The US has many crimes which it has to answer for in the Muslim world. My proof for Z.A. Bhutto and Gen. Zia's assassinations are ISI and military statements. King Faisal's assassination, his very own family and his supporters. Continue to live in your fairy land where America is perfect, the occupied and oppressed people of the Muslim world however will never forget the murder of their greatest leaders.

Atheists telling me my views are conspiracy theories. LOL.

The end result of Atheism is the complete lack of morality and the sinking of the human being into perversion and unnatural way of life. In such a state, an atheist has no values and merely lives for selfish materialistic reasons such as fulfilling his animal desires or piling up wealth. What a horrible and dishonorable state to be in. Rejecting God is the greatest crime a being can do to to themselves.

 

[otheadp]

Strange. Somehow even the British called that area "Palestine".



Ah yes, so thats why Jerusalem wasnt there and built by the Jews in the 1900s right? Or any of the other major cities, right? The fact is that the British promised the Arabs living there self determination if they helped fight the Turks. Lawrence of Arabia helped unite the Arabs and they won. But when the Turks were defeated, the French and British turned back on their word and carved up the area. Then the Zionist ideology flared up in Europe, sending loads of Jewish people, who had no connection with the area to go to their "Promised Land".However, they found that the British were not going to hand over the area to them, so they declared Jihad on the British and the Arabs. The British ran off like cowards, while the Arabs who were promised self determination and had lived there for generations and had been massacred by the Irgun, took a stand and fought back.

WHAAAAA - whine some more. Run around in circles and stomp your foot 72 times. THAT will make everything you say true.

 

[DiamondHearts]

WHAAAAA - whine some more. Run around in circles and stomp your foot 72 times. THAT will make everything you say true.

Or maybe bash your head against a wall for several hours. That sure will help you think straight.