Jesus Middle Name

[Trilairian]

Ever wonder what Jesus middle name was as in Jesus H. Christ?
The popular christian apology has it that the H comes from the H in
IHC
and that this is somehow derived from
IHS
which are then claimed as a greek abreviation for Jesus. Now heres the paagan origin:
According to the book of the dead Meh whose identity was latter absoarbed into Isis synchetistically was the right eye of Horus and Seb was his left.
IHS
I = ISIS
H = Horus
S = Seb
This is then the portrait of Horus and H does stand for ***Horus***!
Do a google search on
+IHS +SUN +horus
So next time you think of swearing and exclaiming Jesus H. Christ you can do it right and exclaim Jesus HORUS Christ!

 

[Raithere]

Ever wonder what Jesus middle name was as in Jesus H. Christ?
The popular christian apology has it that the H comes from the H in
IHC
and that this is somehow derived from
IHS
which are then claimed as a greek abreviation for Jesus. Now heres the paagan origin:
According to the book of the dead Meh whose identity was latter absoarbed into Isis synchetistically was the right eye of Horus and Seb was his left.
IHS
I = ISIS
H = Horus
S = Seb
This is then the portrait of Horus and H does stand for ***Horus***!
Do a google search on
+IHS +SUN +horus
So next time you think of swearing and exclaiming Jesus H. Christ you can do it right and exclaim Jesus HORUS Christ!

Well, no.

Jesus' name would have been Yeshua Ben Yosef, presuming that Yeshua was his given name and not a title.

~Raithere

 

[marv]

I prefer Jesus F***ing Christ.....

 

[Hapsburg]

Well, no.

Jesus' name would have been Yeshua Ben Yosef, presuming that Yeshua was his given name and not a title.

~Raithere

Ye hit the nail right on it's head. "jesus" is really a greco-roman corruption of the judeo-aramaic "Yeshua", often translated as "Joshua".

 

[Trilairian]

Well, no.

Jesus' name would have been Yeshua Ben Yosef, presuming that Yeshua was his given name and not a title.

~Raithere

Funny that you would say well no and then say something that in no way contradicts what i said, and by the way Yosef was not Yeshua's fathers real name. In this case it is derivative of the egyptian god Seb.

 

[Jenyar]

From the Straight Dope:

"It recalls the H in the IHS logo emblazoned on much Christian paraphernalia. IHS dates from the earliest years of Christianity, being an abbreviation of "Jesus" in classical Greek characters. The Greek pronunciation is "Iesous," with the E sound being represented by the character eta, which looks like an H. When the symbol passed to Christian Romans, for whom an H was an H, the unaccountable character eventually became accepted as Jesus's middle initial. "​

Either that, or it's simply a contraction for some kind of profanity or oath, like marv's post suggests. Like "zounds" was a euphemism for "God's wounds".

 

[Trilairian]

From the Straight Dope:

"It recalls the H in the IHS logo emblazoned on much Christian paraphernalia. IHS dates from the earliest years of Christianity, being an abbreviation of "Jesus" in classical Greek characters. The Greek pronunciation is "Iesous," with the E sound being represented by the character eta, which looks like an H. When the symbol passed to Christian Romans, for whom an H was an H, the unaccountable character eventually became accepted as Jesus's middle initial. "​

Either that, or it's simply a contraction for some kind of profanity or oath, like marv's post suggests. Like "zounds" was a euphemism for "God's wounds".

And saying as I already said that, this is relevent how exactly?

 

[Sarkus]

Every child knows what the "H" stands for:

Our father, who art in Heaven, Harold be thy name....

 

[Raithere]

Funny that you would say well no and then say something that in no way contradicts what i said

How do you find that Yeshua Ben Yosef is not contradictory to Jesus Horus Christ? Presuming he did exist, Jesus was not his first name Horus was not his middle name and Christ was not his name at all but a title.

and by the way Yosef was not Yeshua's fathers real name. In this case it is derivative of the egyptian god Seb

And you derive this from what, a vague similarity between the English transliteration of various names? Utter nonsense. Particularly regarding the Egyptian names for which the true pronunciation is unknown.

While I will grant you that the NT myth reflects many more ancient stories it is not a direct translation.

~Raithere

 

[Trilairian]

How do you find that Yeshua Ben Yosef is not contradictory to Jesus Horus Christ? ....

Because you completely are missing the point I made. I snipped the rest of your arguement against what you mistook me for having said. Go back and reread it until you figure out what I was actually saying.

 

[Raithere]

Because you completely are missing the point I made.

Then please clarify because it seems to me that you are attempting to equate the symbolic Christian IHS with some imaginary Egyptian IHS. If your point is something else then yes, I am indeed missing it.

~Raithere

 

[Trilairian]

Then please clarify because it seems to me that you are attempting to equate the symbolic Christian IHS with some imaginary Egyptian IHS. If your point is something else then yes, I am indeed missing it.

~Raithere

Yes, my point is that the original name of any historical person that the mythical Yeshua was connected to was actually named Jesus as you also said long after I already did and that the IHS taken by many to mean an abreviation for Jesus originally represented the mythical Jesus's origin in the original christ character Horus and his parents Isis and Seb whom I have demonstrated are through synchretism and etymology the characters Mary,Mary and Joseph.
No the two Mary's wasn't a mistake.
The transliteration of his name was chosen carefuly as a blend of Yeshua and horus that would have that abreviation and would have the gematria of 888.

 

[Raithere]

the IHS taken by many to mean an abreviation for Jesus originally represented the mythical Jesus's origin in the original christ character Horus and his parents Isis and Seb whom I have demonstrated are through synchretism and etymology the characters Mary,Mary and Joseph.
No the two Mary's wasn't a mistake.
The transliteration of his name was chosen carefuly as a blend of Yeshua and horus that would have that abreviation and would have the gematria of 888.

And it is my contention that you have failed to demonstrate this. While I would certainly agree that there is a large amount of syncretism evident in Christianity the linear progression you're suggesting, from Egyptian gods to the family of Jesus, is lacking any historical or etymological support.

The fact is that the etymology here is largely unknown. Several people have already pointed out problems with the progression you describe. Not the least of which is that the similarities you illustrate are dependent upon not only transliteration but successive generations of transliteration with known errors. That the end result would somehow be more accurate is unlikely at best.

Finally, the Egyptian mythology is not even clear. Isis is more regularly the daughter of Geb/Seb than his wife and Horus is typically given to be the son of Osiris. It is also Osiris and not Horus that is depicted as the man-god who is slain and subsequently arises. It is only later as the myths continued to be mixed around that Orisis's legend was confused with Horus's.

The explanation you give simply does not reflect the historical evidence. It began to show up as Christianity spread. The syncretism you suggest is more accurately an adaptation of Coptic Christianity as it proliferated in Egypt. We see Christianity doing this repeatedly throughout its history, adapting itself to the local mythology.

~Raithere

 

[Trilairian]

And it is my contention that you have failed to demonstrate this. ... is lacking any historical or etymological support.

No I haven't and No it isn't. You just haven't been reading all that I've written concerning this. I cut the rest of your nonsense.

 

[Raithere]

No I haven't and No it isn't. You just haven't been reading all that I've written concerning this. I cut the rest of your nonsense.

Mmhmm, right. Just like I didn't understand your point before, right?

Scintillating retort. I'm overawed.

Maybe you can chew on these other opinions for a while.

~Raithere

"After the fall of the Amarna dynasty, the original Egyptian pantheon survived more or less as the dominant faith, until the establishment of Coptic Christianity and later Islam, even though the Egyptians continued to have relations with the other monotheistic cultures (e.g. Hebrews). Egyptian mythology put up surprisingly little resistance to the spread of Christianity, sometimes explained by claiming that Jesus was originally a syncretism based predominantly on Horus, with Isis representing Mary."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_mythology

"So I sent an email to twenty of the leading Egyptologists - in Canada, USA, UK, Australia, Germany, and Austria.
...
The responding scholars were unanimous in dismissing the suggested etymologies for Jesus and Christ.
Ron Leprohan, Professor of Egyptology at the University of Toronto, pointed out that while "sa" means "son" in ancient Egyptian and "iu" means `to come," but Kuhn/Harpur have the syntax all wrong. In any event, the name `Iusa' simply does not exist in Egyptian.
The name `Jesus' is Greek from a universally recognized west Semitic name ("Jeshu'a"), born not merely by the central figure in the New Testament but also by many other people in the first century.
While all recognize that the image of the baby Horus and Isis has influenced the Christian iconography of Madonna and Child, this is where the similarity stops. There is no evidence for the idea that Horus was virgin born.
...
Kuhn/Harper's redefinition of "incarnation" and rooting this in Egyptian religion is regarded as bogus by all of the Egyptologists with whom I have consulted. According to one: "Only the pharaoh was believed to have a divine aspect, the divine power of kingship, incarnated in the human being currently serving as the king. No other Egyptians ever believed they possessed even `a little bit of the divine'."
Virtually none of the alleged evidence for the views put forward in "The Pagan Christ" is documented by reference to original sources. The notes refer mainly to Kuhn, Higgins, Massey, or some other long-out-of-date work. "
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802714498/104-1550418-0183942

A connection between Jesus and Horus-Osiris is frequently raised by critics of the historicity of Jesus. Superficially, the death and resurrection of Horus-Osiris, and Horus' nature as both the son of Osiris and Osiris himself, appear to be a template for the idea that this occurred in Jesus. However, there is much more to both deities than this, and so such basic comparisons are not terribly persuasive to most academics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

In short, of the claims outlined in this entry, I find the comparison between Horus and Jesus to consist of the following: they were of royal descent, they allegedly worked miracles and there were murder plots against them.
http://stupidevilbastard.com/index/seb/comments/ending_the_myth_of_horus/

IHS - A monogram of the name of Jesus Christ. From the third century the names of our Saviour are sometimes shortened, particularly in Christian inscriptions (IH and XP, for Jesus and Christus). In the next century the "sigla" (chi-rho) occurs not only as an abbreviation but also as a symbol. From the beginning, however, in Christian inscriptions the nomina sacra, or names of Jesus Christ, were shortened by contraction, thus IC and XC or IHS and XPS for Iesous Christos. These Greek monograms continued to be used in Latin during the Middle Ages. Eventually the right meaning was lost, and erroneous interpretation of IHS led to the faulty orthography "Jhesus".
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07649a.htm

In Eastern Orthodoxy, it is a four-letter abbreviation ICXC - a traditional abbreviation of the Greek words for "Jesus Christ" (i.e., the first and last letters of each of the words "ΙΗΣΟΥΣ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ -- written "IHCOYC XPICTOC" with the lunate sigma common in medieval Greek). On Western Orthodox icons this christogram may be split: "IC" on the left of the image and "XC" on the right, often with titlos.
...
In the Latin-speaking Christianity of medieval Western Europe (and so among Catholics and many Protestants today), the most common Christogram is "IHS" or "IHC", derived from the first three letters of the Greek name of Jesus, iota-eta-sigma-omicron-upsilon-sigma or ΙΗΣΟΥΣ. Here the Greek letter eta was interpreted as the letter H in the Latin-speaking West (Greek eta and Latin-alphabet H had the same visual appearance and shared a common historical orgin), while the Greek letter sigma was either interpreted as the Latin letter C (due to the visually-similar form of the "lunate sigma"), or was interpreted as Latin S (since these letters of the two alphabets wrote the same sound). Because the Latin-alphabet letters I and J were not systematically distinguished until the 17th-century, JHS and JHC are completely equivalent to IHS and IHC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram

I.H.S. O.E., from M.L., representing Gk. abbreviation of IHSOUS "Jesus," in which -H- is the capital of the Gk. vowel eta. The Roman form would be I.E.S. Mistaken for a L. contraction in the Middle Ages, after its Gk. origin was forgotten, and sometimes treated as short for Iesus Hominum Salvator "Jesus Savior of Men." Alternate version I.H.C. (terminal -s- often written -c- in later Gk.) is found on vestments from 950 C.E., and may be the source of the H. in slang Jesus H. Christ.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=I.H.S