It is time for us athiests to stand up for ourselves.

Is being an atheist less acceptable than it was in the last 30 years in America ?

  • yes, most definately

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • no, it is the same as it was

    Votes: 2 22.2%

  • I am not sure, but sense that is the trend

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • I really don`t know

    Votes: 4 44.4%
  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .
Fraggle Rocker said:
My wife and I once had a devoutly Christian friend. After she got to know us she said that we were "better Christians" than some of the self-identified churchgoing Christians she knew.
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I don't doubt that for one bit. You would be amazed what a person that goes to church/mosque every so often may do, compared to what a person that does not go to church/mosque every so often may not do. It is only about your state of mind.


Fraggle Rocker said:
She had a hard time believing that God was so vain that he would send us to Hell just for not believing in him, while accepting millions of other people whose only virtue was that they did.
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LOL! Virtue is what God asks for in all Holy Books. I am sure this is a delicate situation to talk about since none of us are God. If a person is virtuous, this only means that they acknowledged their surroundings and they are aware of themselves. Good deeds vs bad deeds.
 
lixluke said:
I was refering to those who want to be called atheist, but want to be considered a-theist instead of athe-ist.

In every possible matter, every person has to be one of 3 positions.
A. X is true.
B. X is not true.
C. Inconclusive.

Whatever the reasons and justifications may be. And whether the person has even heard of the matter or not. There is no escape. Logically speaking, all people MUST fall under one of those categories, and there is nothing they can do about it.

In the the matter of God exists.
An atheist is one who falls under B. There is no such thing as an atheist that falls under C.
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LOL, option C does not exist in any situation. It is either true or false. There is not "tralse." (true-false put together)

Option C is for people that make their own truth. We all know that is false.

Think about it. You go to a Court of law. You get 3 options.

1. Guilty
2. Not guilty
3. No contest

Guilty=True
Not Guilty=False
No contest= True or False depending on evidence. It is obvious that option c is just an illusion/delay/lie. Things are either true or false.
 
-ND- said:
Option C is for people that make their own truth. We all know that is false.
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Incorrect. No one knows that that is false.
You're operating under the assumption that there is such a thing as an objective 'truth'...

lixluke is correct in his analysis.
 
glaucon said:
Incorrect. No one knows that that is false.
You're operating under the assumption that there is such a thing as an objective 'truth'...

lixluke is correct in his analysis.
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How am I wrong? Option C will have to end up in either Option A or Option B. Only time will tell.
 
glaucon said:
That is uncertain; thus.. option C exists.
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LOL, it is as certain as death and taxes. (I always wanted to say that to someone)

OK, lets review. We have Option A= True. Option B= False Option C=Unknown.

Do you agree so far?
 
-ND- said:
LOL, it is as certain as death and taxes. (I always wanted to say that to someone)
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Not at all. Specifically, because although the uncertainty may be resolved for one, this resolution will be specific to them alone.
Thus, uncertainty remains.


-ND- said:
OK, lets review. We have Option A= True. Option B= False Option C=Unknown.

Do you agree so far?
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No.
Op
Ption C is: inconclusive. As 'luke said.
 
glaucon said:
Not at all. Specifically, because although the uncertainty may be resolved for one, this resolution will be specific to them alone.
Thus, uncertainty remains.
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Sure it is. Uncertainty only remains if the subject chooses option c. In the end
of time it will eventually join A or B. The process repeats for infinity. The only difference is C has been solving imaginary solutions. Even Option B is true, because it has been proven false.


glaucon said:
No.
Op
Ption C is: inconclusive. As 'luke said.
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What do you think inconclusive means? Option C is an illusion.
 
-ND- said:
Sure it is. Uncertainty only remains if the subject chooses option c. In the end
of time it will eventually join A or B. The process repeats for infinity. The only difference is C has been solving imaginary solutions. Even Option B is true, because it has been proven false.
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Wholly incorrect.
Resolution is specific to the experiencer, and this resolution is not public.
Uncertainty remains.



-ND- said:
What do you think inconclusive means?
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Exactly what it means: neither true nor false; indeterminate.

Vastly different from "unknown".
 
glaucon said:
Wholly incorrect.
Resolution is specific to the experiencer, and this resolution is not public.
Uncertainty remains.
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If uncertainty remains, that means we are infinite. (souls exist and so does God)

This makes Option B and Option C not valid.

glaucon said:
Exactly what it means: neither true nor false; indeterminate.

Vastly different from "unknown".
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In the end of time it will reach a solution. Option A or B. If uncertainty remains...lol.
 
-ND- said:
If uncertainty remains, that means we are infinite. (souls exist and so does God)

This makes Option B and Option C not valid.



In the end of time it will reach a solution. Option A or B. If uncertainty remains...lol.
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You're missing the point entirely.
If once can be uncertain, then obviously, the case can exist.

Whether or not A or B [or whatever...] may end up being the case, is wholly irrelevant.
 
glaucon said:
You're missing the point entirely.
If once can be uncertain, then obviously, the case can exist.

Whether or not A or B [or whatever...] may end up being the case, is wholly irrelevant.
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I understand that. Option C will exist and it will be as true and/or false as Option A and B, temporarly. At an end it will join Option A or B.

If there is no end, the only correct option would A. (A= God exists)
 
-ND- said:
LOL! Why no???
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Well, that's an entirely different discussion no?

There have been, and continue to be, multitudinous discussions/arguments as to whether or not god exists...

I'm sure you can find one...

:)
 
glaucon said:
Well, that's an entirely different discussion no?

There have been, and continue to be, multitudinous discussions/arguments as to whether or not god exists...

I'm sure you can find one...

:)
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You are sneaky. I will let you slideee this time :cool:
 
lixluke said:
There is no 4th option. Somebody who doesn't care still falls under one of the 3 categories. Not to mention that discussions aren't about 'making' anybody do anything. It's about providing facts. Anybody can call themselves anything they want. It just wouldn't be correct usage of terminology for somebody under C to call themselves atheist.
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Ok fine.
I just don't understand why that is such a big deal to you.
 
Varda said:
Ok fine.
I just don't understand why that is such a big deal to you.
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And I don't understand why people use ad-hom tactics such as the typical "I just don't understand why that is such a big deal to you" when it has no effect on the discussion.

These matters are important not only to me, but to the earth, the animnals, and all of humankind.
 
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