Israel's creation made Palestinians victims of Holocaust

[Mr.Spock]

so why did we initiate the peace process? gave them money and weapons? did nothing for 5 years when they killed israelis with suicide bombers?

and that is just in recent years. next you gonna tell me we sacrificed our own citizens to get rid of the palestinians? why was i left out of the this conspiracy i wonder.

 

[Billy T]

so why did we initiate the peace process? gave them money and weapons? did nothing for 5 years when they killed israelis with suicide bombers?

Even US presidents claim and Nobel prizes are given to have initated the "peace porcess" - there is no glory here with no peace.

I do not know the finances - but often I have read that Israel is keeping, reather than giving, the taxes they collect for the Palestinians. What money are your referring to?

Certainly it was stupid to "do nothing" - I support Irael's right to sefl defense, but not via "collective punishement and very high kill ratio, even when only children and women are counted.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Even US presidents claim and Nobel prizes are given to have initated the "peace porcess" - there is no glory here with no peace.

I do not know the finances - but often I have read that Israel is keeping, reather than giving, the taxes they collect for the Palestinians. What money are your referring to?

Certainly it was stupid to "do nothing" - I support Irael's right to sefl defense, but not via "collective punishement and very high kill ratio, even when only children and women are counted.

you are talking about a conspiracy to kill palestinians by the israelis. as an israeli i wonder, what are we doing for the past ten or twenty years the life of many israelis were cut duo time? if you havent heard, we are sensitive even when our soldiers die, or yet especially when they die.

so how is that adds up with your conclusion? it wouldn't be so hard to look at it from our point of view from time to time, instead of blaming us with imaginary theories.

i do remind you, you once thought i actually am getting paid for this by working for the israeli government.

 

[Norsefire]

Spock have you seen my last post on the other page?

 

[Billy T]

...we are sensitive even when our soldiers die, or yet especially when they die.

So are 20 or more Palestinians mothers greving for every Israeli mother who does so.

...wouldn't be so hard to look at it from our point of view from time to time, instead of blaming us with imaginary theories.

Not "theory" - JUST STATING FACTS. I do draw the obvious conclusion that Israel has chosen to use high kill ratio, and bad living conditions to address the "Palestinian problem," instead of a technically feasible, perhaps even cheaper, defense plan, similar to my very specific posted suggestions (built in part on my 30 years of experience at APL/JHU with the defense of US navy ships). I.e. that missle/ CIWS system plus mine field, killer atack dogs along it, auto-matic counter battery fire, etc. and NO random fire into open areas as killed the family on the beach and many just picking olives etc.

...i do remind you, you once thought i actually am getting paid for this by working for the israeli government.

Yes I did - You began intensive daily posting here and only in this Por-Isreal area just as the news leaked out that Israel was paying some college student to do that at web sites - That PR program quickly became counter productive and was dropped. As you are still posting and now in other area also, I now think I guessed wrong. - I.e. I do not believe now that your were amoung the "paid to post" student group.

 

[Mr.Spock]

So are 20 or more Palestinians mothers greving for every Israeli mother who does so.

tell you truth, i dont care for them, just like they dont for me. we offered them peace, they used it to hurt us, screw them.

Not "theory" - JUST STATING FACTS. I do draw the obvious conclusion that Israel has chosen to use high kill ratio, and bad living conditions to address the "Palestinian problem," instead of a technically feasible, perhaps even cheaper, defense plan, similar to my very specific posted suggestions (built in part on my 30 years of experience at APL/JHU with the defense of US navy ships). I.e. that missle/ CIWS system plus mine field, killer atack dogs along it, auto-matic counter battery fire, etc. and NO random fire into open areas as killed the family on the beach and many just picking olives etc.

we have attack dogs, mines, fence etc. they are not always working, and with all the liberals who feel sorry for those suicide bombers and katyusha rockets, that wont work.

what im astonished is that you actually think its a fact we want to eliminate the palestinian, especially after we left gaza, and voted for that move-olmert was elected based on that platform. what is more astonishing, that you do not even considering for a moment that wee did as a peace gesture, so that terror will decrease, to give the talks one last chance, and got, surprisingly, terror instead. and you actually think we want to control gaza at the expanse of israeli life, when israel talks for years about self defense, that half the people on this planet dont even recognize we have.

Yes I did - You began intensive daily posting here and only in this Por-Isreal area just as the news leaked out that Israel was paying some college student to do that at web sites - That PR program quickly became counter productive and was dropped. As you are still posting and now in other area also, I now think I guessed wrong. - I.e. I do not believe now that your were amoung the "paid to post" student group.

i wonder what else you were mistaken of.

 

[pjdude1219]

tell you truth, i dont care for them, just like they dont for me. we offered them peace, they used it to hurt us, screw them.



we have attack dogs, mines, fence etc. they are not always working, and with all the liberals who feel sorry for those suicide bombers and katyusha rockets, that wont work.

what im astonished is that you actually think its a fact we want to eliminate the palestinian, especially after we left gaza, and voted for that move-olmert was elected based on that platform. what is more astonishing, that you do not even considering for a moment that wee did as a peace gesture, so that terror will decrease, to give the talks one last chance, and got, surprisingly, terror instead. and you actually think we want to control gaza at the expanse of israeli life, when israel talks for years about self defense, that half the people on this planet dont even recognize we have.



i wonder what else you were mistaken of.

the isreali's still controll access to the occupied lands and there aren't may on the othere side who want the complete elimanation of the jewish people

 

[Mr.Spock]

the isreali's still controll access to the occupied lands and there aren't may on the othere side who want the complete elimanation of the jewish people

no, not so many at all. most just want to "relocate" them.

 

[Norsefire]

Apparantly it seems the Palestinians and Israelis will always believe the land is their's. Now, technically it is the Palestinians (ethnically, the "Israelis" are NOT Israelites and therefore they have no claim whatsoever to the Holy Land).

However, for the sake of unity, I say we integrate the two societies into a peaceful utopia, not under an Israeli or Palestinian banner, but under a new flag, and new state.

Is this not preferabe to all else, Mr. Spock?

no, not so many at all. most just want to "relocate" them.

Again........

 

[pjdude1219]

no, not so many at all. most just want to "relocate" them.

yes its only nuts who interpt the wanting of the elimation of the state of isreal and the relocation of the people who moved there as wanting to kill all the jews. lets face it the jews haven't lived there is some 1600 years after that amount of time i am sorry buit your claim to the land is minimal at best

 

[Mr.Spock]

yes its only nuts who interpt the wanting of the elimation of the state of isreal and the relocation of the people who moved there as wanting to kill all the jews. lets face it the jews haven't lived there is some 1600 years after that amount of time i am sorry buit your claim to the land is minimal at best

so you agree or\and justify them? how wonderful. and you said you dont hate jews, go tell a jew that lets see what he tells you

 

[Billy T]

...we have attack dogs, mines, fence etc. they are not always working,...

No you do not! – Nothing even vaguely like I suggested years ago (even before this old post):

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1124159&postcount=115

Please read it and my replies to questions and comments up to post 118, the last, where the thread "what would you suggest" (or something like that started by Bullalo Roam died.)

No one had any fault with suggestion that was not easily answered. Please feel free to raise new ones. - I will try to answer or modifiy my plan for making Israel secure, with a better future. (See my fears for Israel in last paragraph.) You may not agree, but I think I am a better friend of Israel than you are.

If Israel really wanted peace, instead of just for the Palestinians to go away/ disappear/ die of poor sanitation / lack of clean water etc. why not try this technological approach to the "Palestinian problem"? Three or four decades of the failing current approach to the "Palestinian Problem" should be enough stubborn stupidity. (Especially for a country that perhaps has the highest average educational level of all.)

I am very concerned that in another decade or so, the rockets falling on Israel will have Anthrax spores, not the relatively harmless explosives that kill at most 5 Israelis / year. Do you sincerely want to "stay the course" into that future?

 

[Mr.Spock]

No you do not! – Nothing even vaguely like I suggested years ago (even before this old post):

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1124159&postcount=115

Please read it and my replies to questions and comments up to post 118, the last, where the thread "what would you suggest" (or something like that started by Bullalo Roam died.)

No one had any fault with suggestion that was not easily answered. Please feel free to raise new ones.

If Israel really wanted peace, instead of just for the Palestinians to go away/ disappear/ die of poor sanitation / lack of clean water etc. why not try this technological approach to the "Palestinian problem"? Three or four decades of the failing current approach to the "Palestinian Problem" should be enough stupidity.

I am very concerned that in another decade or so, the rockets falling on Israel will have Anthrax spores, not the relatively harmless explosives that kill at most 5 Israelis / year. Do you sincerely want to "stay the course" into that future?

i thought the palestinians want us to disappear go away, fall back. silly me.

step one: give them more money? you obviously delusional. more money for terror? why not? throw ourselves to the sea and save them the trouble. less expansive?

i think you dont know what you are talking about. but i dont blame you, you read the liberal media.

 

[Norsefire]

OK, Spock, ignore my point then.......

 

[pjdude1219]

so you agree or\and justify them? how wonderful. and you said you dont hate jews, go tell a jew that lets see what he tells you

i don't hate jews a jew might think i hate them for what i believe but that doesn't really bother me. and you do seem to hate the palastienians

 

[Billy T]

i thought the palestinians want us to disappear go away, fall back. silly me.

Sure they do - you would too if they land your father was born on was taken from you.

step one: give them more money?

Yes, the first step is to pay compensation for land and houses confiscated. – That, I think, is very effective psychological warfare against the terrorists. - Redressing this old wrong would substantially cut into the numbers of them willing to die with suicide bombs.

But please comment on the more technical aspects -Steps 2 thru 7.

... i dont blame you, you read the liberal media.

No, most of my facts (everything I know about the "mountain aquifer" and the security wall location claiming more of it) come from Israeli sources.

Again: Please attack the suggestion - not me.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Sure they do - you would too if they land your father was born on was taken from you.

actually they drove jews from the west bank. nobody remember this.

Yes, the first step is to pay compensation for land and houses confiscated. – That, I think, is very effective psychological warfare against the terrorists. - Redressing this old wrong would substantially cut into the numbers of them willing to die with suicide bombs.

we gave them money over a decade, including the US and the EU. terrorism only increased. you suggestion is wrong.

No, most of my facts (everything I know about the "mountain aquifer" and the security wall location claiming more of it) come from Israeli sources.

Again: Please attack the suggestion - not me.

the haaretz is as liberal as it gets.

 

[Billy T]

...we gave them money over a decade, including the US and the EU. terrorism only increased. you suggestion is wrong. ...

I am not suggesting "giving them money." - I only suggest that Israel PAY (GIVE NOTHING) for what Israel took by force and special laws as that would undercut the main argument of the terrorist as to why Israel must be destroyed. I think it unreasonable for Israel to give money to Palestinians. Israel itself needs foreign aid. (Is US's main recipient, I think.) - Certainly true per capital basis - by (I bet) AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.

Again" please comment on my suggestions. - not on some distortion, which I never suggested, like "Give them more money." - I oppose that and recognize it is totally impossible politically.

 

[S.A.M.]

Not to forget that Israeli expansion is current and ongoing.

 

[Mr.Spock]

I am not suggesting "giving them money." - I only suggest that Israel paying for what Israel took by force and special laws would undercut the main argument of the terrorist as to why Israel must be destroyed. I think it unreasonable for Israel to give money to Palestinians. Israel itself needs foreign aid. (Is US's main recipient, I think.) - Certainly true per capital basis - by (I bet) AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.

Again" please comment on my suggestions. - not on some distortion, which I never suggested, like "Give them more money." - I oppose that and recognize it is totally impossible politically.

giving them what? land? in your dreams.