Certainly, that's why the point is to PREVENT war in the first place.
Israel's creation made Palestinians victims of Holocaust
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Certainly, that's why the point is to PREVENT war in the first place.
Power and control, religion is just what the fundamentalists and terrorists use to get the people on their side.
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Of the options: sharia, democracy but with animosity among my neighbors, or a Semitic union?
Easy choice for me, the third please
Spock: "good, now choose."
What is this, Sophie's Choice?
I'll choose when I see a choice I want to make. There's no choice here, other than signing onto a trumped-up, bullshit culture-war or not. Religion gets hijacked often. So do all human institutions. This is not a predestined war between the Chosen Ones and the Philistines.
What is this, Sophie's Choice?
I'll choose when I see a choice I want to make. There's no choice here, other than signing onto a trumped-up, bullshit culture-war or not. Religion gets hijacked often. So do all human institutions. This is not a predestined war between the Chosen Ones and the Philistines.
The morally wrongest thing that has ever happened on this earth is what Hitler did to Jews.
What some of my ancestors did to native Americans was very very very wrong.
What King Leopold of Belgium did in the Congo was very very very wrong.
What Turkey did in Armenia was very very very wrong.
What Sudan is doing in the Darfur is very very wrong.
The wars and killing and raping of civilian in the Congo is the wrongest thing going on in the world at this time. Two million killed in Congo during the Clinton administration during the African World War. Then the killing slowed down. A new bloddy phase began and is still happening now. Two million more Congoles have been killed in Congo during the Bush Administration. So why does Darfur get more coverage? Because in Darfur the killers are Muslims and Muslims are our current comic book enemies? If Hitler was an ally of America would anybody (except Jews) in America remember or care about the Holocaust?
Compared to the above horrors Israelis are very very nice to Palestinians.
But, two wrongs don't make a right. What the UN did to Palestinians was very wrong. What Israel did to Palestinians was very wrong. What the British did to Palestinians was wrong. What the USA has done to Palestinians is very wrong. The USA funds Israel and dominated the UN.
What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is very wrong, just not very very very wrong.
What Israel has done to the Palestinians is much much more wrong than what Palestinians have done to Israelis.
I don't differentiate civilian deaths by collateral damage from civilian deaths by deliberate acts of terrorism. When the powerful nations forces hide behind their hide tech military fortress and then criticize their poor enemies for hiding among civilians, this is hypocrisy. There would be no terrorism and no collateral damage and probably no wars at all, if wars were fought on a stadium playing field with the combatants and leaders of both sides fighting to the death in unarmed combat.
What the Palestinians would do to Israelis now, if they could do things to Israelis would probably be very very very wrong, but the Palestinians have little power, and so it is clearly the Israelis who have been the wronger party in this conflict.
Just count the civilian dead on both sides if you want to know who is wronger. If you think who started the fight matters, Israel loses that argument also. Jews went to Palestine with a plan that required that they take parts of the Palestinian homeland away from the Palestinians. That was the start of the conflict.
What some of my ancestors did to native Americans was very very very wrong.
What King Leopold of Belgium did in the Congo was very very very wrong.
What Turkey did in Armenia was very very very wrong.
What Sudan is doing in the Darfur is very very wrong.
The wars and killing and raping of civilian in the Congo is the wrongest thing going on in the world at this time. Two million killed in Congo during the Clinton administration during the African World War. Then the killing slowed down. A new bloddy phase began and is still happening now. Two million more Congoles have been killed in Congo during the Bush Administration. So why does Darfur get more coverage? Because in Darfur the killers are Muslims and Muslims are our current comic book enemies? If Hitler was an ally of America would anybody (except Jews) in America remember or care about the Holocaust?
Compared to the above horrors Israelis are very very nice to Palestinians.
But, two wrongs don't make a right. What the UN did to Palestinians was very wrong. What Israel did to Palestinians was very wrong. What the British did to Palestinians was wrong. What the USA has done to Palestinians is very wrong. The USA funds Israel and dominated the UN.
What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is very wrong, just not very very very wrong.
What Israel has done to the Palestinians is much much more wrong than what Palestinians have done to Israelis.
I don't differentiate civilian deaths by collateral damage from civilian deaths by deliberate acts of terrorism. When the powerful nations forces hide behind their hide tech military fortress and then criticize their poor enemies for hiding among civilians, this is hypocrisy. There would be no terrorism and no collateral damage and probably no wars at all, if wars were fought on a stadium playing field with the combatants and leaders of both sides fighting to the death in unarmed combat.
What the Palestinians would do to Israelis now, if they could do things to Israelis would probably be very very very wrong, but the Palestinians have little power, and so it is clearly the Israelis who have been the wronger party in this conflict.
Just count the civilian dead on both sides if you want to know who is wronger. If you think who started the fight matters, Israel loses that argument also. Jews went to Palestine with a plan that required that they take parts of the Palestinian homeland away from the Palestinians. That was the start of the conflict.
And yet the Brits were also the ones who called for an Israeli state to be made.
... but not at the Palestinian's expense, and not at the expense of multiculturalism, which had seen Jewish communities prospering all over the Mideast before 1948. Read the BD:
This is something that is often overlooked.
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WildBlueYonder
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victims yes, but not 6 million dead, refugee status yes
but more like unwanted refugees, since no Arab, country except Jordan has assimilated them, they've had to live in squalor, as cheap labor, as angry young men, I hear Yasser had $3 billion in Swiss banks when he died of AIDS
the seeds were sown in:
in 1881-84 by pogroms in Ukraine & southern Russia: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005366
in 1894, by France's trial of Captain Alfred Dreyfus: http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/biography_herzl.htm
1917 by the British gov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
in 1922 by arab anti-Jewish riots: http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riots_1929.php
you know, you're quoting a zionist newspaper, don't you?
the problem for the refugees is, that no Arab country has seen it in their heart to take them in, they told them that they could beat those jews in 1948, but no such luck, & that riles arabs, that a tiny little country of weak-kneed dhimmi jews can go toe-to-toe with them & leave them all beat & bleeding, on 5:1 odds
The Arab position is that assimilating the Palestinian refugees would be aiding and abetting the Israeli ethnic cleansing.
I often hear Israel supporters say that Israel should force the remaining Palestinians out of Israel and the "disputed territories". Israel supporters often say "the Arab world is so big, what is wrong with the Palestinians moving there?"
Can you see why settling the Palestinians would encourage Israel to ethnicly cleanse the remaining Palestinians? Israel supporters would say "problem over, no harm done", if the Palestinians were integrated into the other Arab nations.
If you steal my house from me, is there no harm done if my mother will let me sleep in her livingroom?
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Jordan always seems to be the hero in times like these. Unfortunately it's a really tiny country and simply can't absorb a lot of refugees. They have also taken in a lot of Iraqi refugees. Meanwhile my country, which created those refugees, has accepted fewer than a hundred thousand of them.
I know there's a bit of controversy among the Arabs over whether the Palestinians are truly Arabs. DNA testing shows that they and the Lebanese have some common ancestry with the Jews.
Well, good for Jordan, but we have too many fucking refugees coming to Syria and they are putting a real strain on our economy.
Palestinians are not really pure Arabs, nor are Lebanese and most Syrians, but they were all Arabised
Heh. Apparently the fucking Slavs don't have enough sympathy or aren't topical enough to rate someone being banned on their behalf.
Hate speech is terribly subjective, don't you think?
Perhaps.
Israeli minister warns of Palestinian 'holocaust' - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/29/israelandthepalestinians1
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Fraggle Rocker
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Nobody's forgiven the Russians for communism yet.
This isn't my board so I haven't been keeping up with it and I don't know what posts you're referring to. If you think something is hate speech please bring it to the attention of a moderator. The name of the subforum, the date of the post and the name of the poster. Otherwise it's too difficult to find them by scrolling. We don't have a specific rule against hate speech because we have to let these kids get stupid once in a while, but the rules against trolling, racism and insulting other members often apply.
... but not at the Palestinian's expense, and not at the expense of multiculturalism, which had seen Jewish communities prospering all over the Mideast before 1948. Read the BD:
jews were never loved in the ME. that is why they were driven from their homes when israel was created.
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