Israel's creation made Palestinians victims of Holocaust

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Enmos said:
LOL Sorry man :p

Norse, you once said that you only like very light skinned girls.. does that mean you don't like Syrian girls ?
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What do you mean? Syrian girls are light-skinned in Latakia...........:bugeye:
 
Palestinians certainly are victims of the Holocaust. Zionism was a fringe movement with no mainstream support from the Jews of Europe, who considered themselves Europeans first and Jews second--if at all. Even when WWII was over, the majority of Jewish refugees wanted nothing more than to go back to Berlin, Warsaw, Vienna and other cities and rebuild their homes and lives. But the Europeans didn't want them back. Yet they had to do something to atone for making antisemitism a defining characteristic of Christendom for a thousand years, particularly when they got a teeny bit carried away and literally tried to exterminate the entire population. So, led by the British with their legendary insight and sensitivity to non-European peoples, they came up with the brilliant idea of giving them someone else's homeland.

It was wrong of the Jews to accept this offer, but I can almost forgive them because they were desperate and desperate people do desperate things. I cannot forgive the Europeans of the 1940s for making it happen, for indeed making the Palestinians "victims of the Holocaust."
 
Jews had been living there ever since Roman times, with significant populations in urban areas. There was no reason for Zionism to automatically lead to Palestinian victimhood. The Palestinians were not victims of the holocaust, they were willing participants in it's last thrust against the Jews.
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
Palestinians certainly are victims of the Holocaust. Zionism was a fringe movement with no mainstream support from the Jews of Europe, who considered themselves Europeans first and Jews second--if at all. Even when WWII was over, the majority of Jewish refugees wanted nothing more than to go back to Berlin, Warsaw, Vienna and other cities and rebuild their homes and lives. But the Europeans didn't want them back. Yet they had to do something to atone for making antisemitism a defining characteristic of Christendom for a thousand years, particularly when they got a teeny bit carried away and literally tried to exterminate the entire population. So, led by the British with their legendary insight and sensitivity to non-European peoples, they came up with the brilliant idea of giving them someone else's homeland.

It was wrong of the Jews to accept this offer, but I can almost forgive them because they were desperate and desperate people do desperate things. I cannot forgive the Europeans of the 1940s for making it happen, for indeed making the Palestinians "victims of the Holocaust."
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Yes, Europeans love to dump our problems on others. Zionism would not have succeeded without Hitler, ironic isn't it?
 
S.A.M. said:
A group of visiting German intellectuals called on Berlin on Monday to change what they termed its Holocaust-rooted blind support of Israel, saying the creation of the State of Israel turned Palestinians into victims of the Nazi Holocaust as well.

The four, Dr. Reiner Steinweg, Prof. Gert Krell, Prof. Georg Meggle, and Jorg Becker, took part in a debate Monday evening at the Netanya Academic College on the future of German-Israeli relations. They were among 25 signatories to a petition on the issue that was circulated in the German media following the Second Lebanon War.

According to the manifesto, German responsibility toward the Palestinians is "one side of the consequences of the Holocaust which receives far too little attention." The paper goes on to argue that it was the Holocaust which Germany perpetrated that brought about "the suffering that has persisted [in the Middle East] for the last six decades and has at present become unbearable."

This, according to the manifesto titled "Friendship and Criticism," is because "without the Holocaust of the Jews, Israeli policy would not see itself as entitled - or forced to ride over the human rights of the Palestinians and the inhabitants of Lebanon."

Without the Holocaust, the document adds, Israel would not have enjoyed the same material and political support from the U.S. The researchers told Haaretz this also applies to support from Germany.

"So it is not only Israel which can lay claim to special consideration on the part of Germany. As Germans we share not only a responsibility toward Israel's existence, but also for the living conditions of the Palestinian People," the scholars concluded.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/955766.html


Wow!:eek:

Its good to see that people are waking up to the plight of Palestinians.
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The uk took a piece of ireland a long time ago, we still have it, but now we see piece in ireland, they sent there terroists to the uk, all though they had the brains not to be brain dead martys, maybe its about time the palestine people & there many governments 2 now or is it 3, did a deal too israel is going no where, maybe your friends iran & syria can find it in there hearts to free palestine from being the puppets of these countries so they can stay in power in there own countries.

Palestine is nothing more than a pawn of iran, until that changes there will never be peace there, lebanon is nothing but a pawn too, & when iran chooses another war with israel will start again, whats it like for the entire muslim world to be a pawn of iran? oh and your spokesperson on world affairs be it cartoons in denmark or films in holland, we can always count on iran speaking for all of you 1st, try to cut you puppet strings then get back to me.
 
Sam what about the creation of pakistan, what are muslims doing in india?
yes they invaded you long ago, but why did 80million stay behind?
The uk invaded too but we did not stay behind to set up our own country in india, why are you not calling for the return of pakistan to india, oh its ok for muslims to steal land but not jews?

Pakistan is now muslim controlled, yet we still have them blowing up mosques every day there, so one can only guess that if israel moved out of the middle east the palestine people would still be blowing eachother up, & my guess is there would be 5 or 6 governments in palestine.
Yeah you guys really have your shit together, & yes we all should treat you as adults.
 
Just like the Indian attrocities committed in occupied Kashmir!!!!..wake up S.A.M??? this is yesterday's news!!!
http://www.gharib.demon.co.uk/atroc/index.htm
and more...
http://www.ihrc.org.uk/show.php?id=37
Kashmir has been the key to the dispute between India and Pakistan since their independence from the British in 1947. Each country claims Kashmir as a part of its territory. As a result of a rebellion in 1947 and the subsequent wars between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, the area is separated by a Line-of-Control (LOC or cease-fire line).
And don't get me started about the Indian treatment of their own Dalit people!! ...
It seems S.A.M cares more about palestinians than her own people!!!
 
Arsalan said:
Dont get me wrong. I do believe in a 2 state solution. But that will only happen when Israel understands the reason for the widespread opposition towards itself and the Palestinians accept that Israel is here to stay.
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I'm basically against a 2-state solution. Reason, because Israel will never let an independent Palestinian state be.
 
Palestinians are actually victims of the fall of the Ottoman Empire, which was WWI. I wonder why they were unable to form their own nation at that time? Maybe there weren't enough of them.
 
spidergoat said:
Jews had been living there ever since Roman times, with significant populations in urban areas. There was no reason for Zionism to automatically lead to Palestinian victimhood. The Palestinians were not victims of the holocaust, they were willing participants in it's last thrust against the Jews.
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Yes, but those Jews are Palestinians! They were SEMITIC ARAB/ISRAELITES, not fucking slavs.

Therefore, natives shouldn't be displaced for foreigners, unless you wouldn't mind if your homes were displaced for Mexicans.

No, there should've been a PALESTINIAN nation and only that, with Jews being allowed to live there not becaues of the high expense of another.
 
Bolded for the thinking impaired.

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour
 
Norsefire said:
Yes, but those Jews are Palestinians! They were SEMITIC ARAB/ISRAELITES, not fucking slavs.

Therefore, natives shouldn't be displaced for foreigners, unless you wouldn't mind if your homes were displaced for Mexicans.

No, there should've been a PALESTINIAN nation and only that, with Jews being allowed to live there not becaues of the high expense of another.
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Jewish is Jewish. I'm sure many of those you call Palestinians actually came from other areas of the Middle East.

The Arabs got beaten on their own turf by a bunch of war refugees who barely escaped genocide. Jews aren't even particularly known for their skills in warfare. It seems the Palestinians hardly deserved to keep the land they inhabited.
 
spidergoat said:
Jewish is Jewish. I'm sure many of those you call Palestinians actually came from other areas of the Middle East.

The Arabs got beaten on their own turf by a bunch of war refugees who barely escaped genocide. Jews aren't even particularly known for their skills in warfare. It seems the Palestinians hardly deserved to keep the land they inhabited.
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Jewish is religion, not nationality. The Jews already living there in 1948 are the only Jews who can lay claim.

But, even so, does that make it right? If Germany won the war in WWII, does that make them right? No. Jews, nonetheless, had taken the land of the Palestinians. It doesn't change that fact.


And yes, spidergoat, people who were living there for fucking generations certainly deserve the land than a bunch of fucking slavs just coming in.
 
spidergoat: "I'm sure many of those you call Palestinians actually came from other areas of the Middle East."

LOL!

"The Arabs got beaten on their own turf by a bunch of war refugees who barely escaped genocide."

No, the 1948 war was fought by healthy Europeans with front-line U.S. equipment.

"Jews aren't even particularly known for their skills in warfare."

They are now.

"It seems the Palestinians hardly deserved to keep the land they inhabited."

That's better: Since you believe in conquest, it is dishonest to put up any pretense about morality. If you think might makes right, just say so.
 
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