as long as were there no rockets and no hamas.
Israel's creation made Palestinians victims of Holocaust
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as long as were there no rockets and no hamas.
No - not land but money at fair value of property when taken with reasonable interest included. I.e. some effort to treat them fairly.
Fortunately very few (according to several studies) actually want to return to the homes that were taken - many do not even exist now. A lot of noise is still made by political leaders about "the right of return" but very few of those with this "right" want to - they want money, even though the sum each would get is small. (Several generations with lots of kids in each make for great dilution of each's share.)
you said not giving them money, now you say do give them money?
im sure theyll want to "return". not gonna happen.
Why not? If the Jews can "return" after 2000 years, the Palestinians can try at least that long. They have Israel as their example.
After all, it was Roman military might that drove away the Jews 2000 years ago, until they were invited back by the Muslims. At least the Palestinians are still sticking around.
Why not? If the Jews can "return" after 2000 years, the Palestinians can try at least that long. They have Israel as their example.
After all, it was Roman military might that drove away the Jews 2000 years ago, until they were invited back by the Muslims. At least the Palestinians are still sticking around.
invited by the muslims? wasnt it the muslims who deported 800,000 of them and then invaded israel in 48?
round them up and kill them all.
if you fail once, try again.
Don't worry, they will most definitely return. By sheer numbers and geographical setting, it's an event simply waiting to happen. Jews should enjoy the power in the world they have as of now - I mean, it has taken them about 4,000 years to gain any significant world standing. They took advantage quickly of the circumstances they were in a few decades ago, but assuredly, it's only a temporary move.
Cabuk parlayan cabuk soner.
What flares up fast, extinguishes soon.
Fraggle Rocker
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Don't bet on it. I can't speak for Europeans but even though Americans have been fond of Israel since WWII and hostile to Islam since the Iran hostage event, even we have our limits. And the Israeli government and its more militant supporters are quite close to running into our limit. It frightens many of us that some (many?) outspoken Israelis have become so saturated with grief that they're becoming irrational and actually ready to support a full-scale assault on Palestinian civilians. On the other hand we're rather perplexed that Egypt isn't letting Palestinian refugees into its precious space where they'd be unremarkably assimilated but instead wants Israel to open its border which would result in full-scale ethnic bloodshed, especially considering that Egypt's relationship with Israel is moderate and not militant.
Still, the same Americans who want our troops brought home from Iraq unconditionally and we don't give a flying fuck about the consequences--these days perhaps a majority of our people--also are not going to support Israel if it really launches a campaign against the Palestinian people that could only be properly called terrorism. This is not a good time for Israel to try our patience, since without us they wouldn't be shit and since the government that has been pursuing irrational policies in the Middle East is on the way out in just eleven months.
Exactly. That is really big news in places like Washington and people are starting to question Israel's sanity.
Mesopotamia is a name for the whole Tigris-Euphrates region, with no regard for time. [Meso-potamia, "between the rivers."] Babylon was an empire that ruled the region during one ancient historical period. Damascus, one of the major cities in the region, is the oldest continuously-populated city on Earth.
and you have no problem with a full scale attack on israeli civilians right?
thats not in your limits i see.
Fraggle Rocker
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Obviously we're already pissed off about that, which is one of the reasons we've been cutting Israel so much slack. But two wrongs don't make a right. Besides, you can hardly call what the Palestinian militants have been doing a "full-scale attack," in the context of what Israelis are contemplating. If they're not throwing the word shoah around lightly--and shame on any Jew who would--they're talking literally about genocide.
The death toll of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel in all the years they've been occurring is a two digit number. (I'm sure many more Israeli citizens have been killed by drunk drivers! If their rate is the same as ours they probably kill several hundred Israelis every single year!) Many Israelis, surely including anyone who uses the word shoah, are thinking in terms of at least four digits. I have met one personally who would not object to five or even six.
In a sense these are my damn people. I have Jewish members in my family, and surely there were some I don't know about who stayed behind in places like Hungary and Bohemia that were killed by the Nazis. But this is just not right!
The rules of civilization say that the only time you get to kill somebody is in self-defense against a direct threat. You do NOT get to kill his children, his neighbors and his firemen. We're still pissed off about the firemen who were killed in 9/11! How can we support a country that wants to do something one or two orders of magnitude worse than 9/11, just because it can't find anybody smart enough to figure out a better solution?
This is like fucking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah, I've read all the explanations, there just wasn't any other way to make the Japanese surrender.
Well then think harder! Fire your thinkers and find somebody smarter.
Right on. Fraggle's rockin'.
and if mexico or canada lobbied missiles onto your home you all be like nuke mexico\canada, right?
dont tell me you wont.
Such hypocrasy. I am also sure if Mexicans displaced an entire part of the US, pushed them off their land, and then proceeded to murder their people they would fight back.......same stuff with the Palestinians.
However, the ultimate goal is unity and peace among Semites.
the native americans found a better solution. casinos.
Yes, that's why the majority of them are living in poverty..........
Please, man..........
according to?
does it justify taking their land? No.....no matter how many casinos they make
Besides, man, you always seem to be against the idea of Semitic Unity.....now why is that? do you WANT war?
Why not? If the Jews can "return" after 2000 years, the Palestinians can try at least that long. They have Israel as their example.
After all, it was Roman military might that drove away the Jews 2000 years ago, until they were invited back by the Muslims. At least the Palestinians are still sticking around.
The Palestinians are the Jews. The Palestinians and European Jews just don't know that. The genocides and expulsions in historical Israel/Palestine were probably always local.
Jewish religion has a lot of appeal. They have a better, more sophisticated and durable "we are the chosen people story" than most of the other "we are the chosen people" stories. It is not surprising that people in ancient Israel converted to Judaism. It is not surprising that People in Europe converted to Judaism.
I don't think Israel was ever emptied of people. Jerusalem was probably emptied of it's people. If frequency of the Cohen Modal Haplotype indicates Jewishness, then the Palestinians are more Jewish than the Jews are. Even without DNA, just by looking at European Jews, it is obvious that most of their DNA is European DNA.
I don't doubt that European Jews are the descendants of the ancient Jews, I just think that in all probability the Palestinians are more descended from the Ancient Jews than European Jews are.
The Hejaz Arab population was small. They spread their language and religion over a vast area by converting people, not by displacing people. There is probably no century prior to the last century in which the people living in Israel/Palestine at the end of the Century were not 80% or more descended from the people living in Israel/Palestine at the beginning of the century.
Of course I won't. Just because you're trigger happy with the nuke button doesn't mean the rest of us are.
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