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Something to think about:

"The more I think about the President's declaration as to the right of 'self-determination,' the more convinced I am of the danger of
putting such ideas into the minds of certain races. It is bound to be the basis of impossible demands on the Peace Congress and create trouble in many lands.

"What effect will it have on the Irish, the Indians, the Egyptians, and the nationalists among the Boers? Will it not breed discontent,
disorder, and rebellion? Will not the Mohammedans of Syria and Palestine and possibly of Morocco and Tripoli rely on it? How can it
be harmonized with Zionism, to which the President is practically committed?

"The phrase is simply loaded with dynamite. It will raise hopes which can never be realized. It will, I fear, cost thousands of lives. In the end it is bound to be discredited, to be called the dream of an idealist who failed to realize the danger until too late to check those who attempt to put the principle in force. What a calamity that the phrase was ever uttered! What misery it will cause!"


-Robert Lansing, Secretary of State to Wilson

"If the race is in danger of being oppressed or even exterminated the question of legality is only of secondary importance. The established power may in such a case employ only those means which are recognized as 'legal'. yet the instinct of self-preservation on the part of the oppressed will always justify, to the highest degree, the employment of all possible resources.

"Only on the recognition of this principle was it possible for those
struggles to be carried through, of which history furnishes magnificent examples in abundance, against foreign bondage or oppression at home.

"Human rights are above the rights of the State."

-Mein Kampf

Hitler 'understood' that peoples had a right to their homeland. The 'national' part of National Socialism was not civic nationalism, the nationalism that calls on French, German, American, Italian or Spanish *citizens* to cherish and defend their countries. It was ethnic nationalism, the nationalism of 'peoples', races, who did not have a homeland, or who had suffered a diaspora or historic wrongs. Hitler held that the German people had suffered both and was threatened with extinction. The Germans wanted their homeland back, all of it. Every other people had its homeland; why not the Germans?

An excellent article on ethnic nationalism by Michael Neumann

http://www.counterpunch.org/neumann10142009.html
 
How to advertise when you are breaking international laws:

Following reports published by The Electronic Intifada on the use of Volvo equipment in the demolition of Palestinian houses in 2007, the Volvo Group stated that it did not condone the use of its equipment for such purposes. Claiming to have no control over the use of its products, Volvo affirmed that its Code of Conduct decries unethical behavior. In spite of these claims, The Electronic Intifada has found that through its Volvo Buses branch, the Volvo Group is providing armored buses to transport Israeli settlers in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT).

Volvo Buses is co-owner of Merkavim Ltd., an Israeli transport technology company. Another shareholder in the company is Mayer's Cars and Trucks, the exclusive Israeli representative of companies from the Volvo Group. According to Merkavim's website, the company was chosen by Volvo as "its major body builder in the Middle East." However, the Who Profits from the Occupation? project recently reported that Merkavim manufactures an armored version of Volvo's Mars Defender bus for the Israeli public transport company Egged. Egged uses the Mars Defender to provide bus services for illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.

Merkavim proudly announced on its website that the Mars Defender offers protection and ultimate comfort when traveling through war zones or routes susceptible to terrorist attacks. In a promotional video the armored bus is shown driving along Israel's wall in the West Bank and crossing checkpoints (http://www.merkavim.co.il/upload/defender.wmv, accessed 6 October). In another video on Merkavim's homepage, Volvo's Senior Vice-President of Business Region Europe, Lars Blom, declares that "Three core values that are very important to us are quality, environmental care and safety. ... [T]he products we are developing with Merkavim also deliver these three core values plus reliability" (http://www.merkavim.co.il/movies_library/merkavim.wmv, accessed 7 October 2009)

According to Merkavim, in the video promoting the bus, the Mars Defender "looks like any other modern bus," but it is "the world's most armored bus." Indeed, the company calls it "the bus that saves lives!" As the narrator explains that the bus is "designed to safeguard the most precious cargo," the camera pans over Israeli soldiers lining up to board the bus and on patrol with their machine guns at the ready. The video explains that Israel has "adapted its world renowned expertise in military and defense technologies to deal with" the "growing threat" of "terrorists and hostile forces." It adds that Merkavim "blends this state of the art know-how with its own expertise" to produce the Mars Defender. Built on a Volvo chassis, the Mars Defender's sides, front, roof and floor are shielded with steel armored panels and it is fitted with bullet- and explosion-proof armored glass windows as well as "run-flat" tires. According to the company, these safety measures allow the bus to withstand "grenades, car bombs, roadside charges and 7.62 caliber armor-piercing bullets." Merkavim claims that these features are needed because "people trust this bus with their lives."

The 2004 advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice on Israel's wall in the West Bank confirmed that settlements violate Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Article 49 explicitly states that the Occupying Power is not allowed to deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. Bus services with Volvo subsidiary's Mars Defender armored buses facilitate the maintaining of illegal settlements in the OPT.

http://www.therebel.org/business/mi..._buses_for_israeli_settlements_2009100766529/
 
God your whiny. if you don't like people going after your asserations about them don't make them. and there is nothing paranoid about my reaction. just because you don't want to take responsibility for what your saying don't lash out at me.

No PJ you don't take responsibility for your persecution complex. I stand by what I said, if its not understood by you because you are too emotionally infantile well that's just your problem not mine. I mean if you were not paranoid why start threads proclaiming your ancestry and a 'non-muslim' if it wasn't for the fact that you think anyone really gives a shit or that it has any bearing whatsoever in these discussions. Get over yourself!
 
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Ethan Heitner for Adalah-NY has made a comic poster to spread awareness of the imprisonment of Mohammed Othman, a human rights activist in Palestine [previously mentioned here]


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No PJ you don't take responsibility for your persecution complex.
I don't have a persacution complex.
I stand by what I said, if its not understood by you because you are too emotionally infantile well that's just your problem not mine.
I understood exactly what you were saying. you just don't want to take responsibility for your implied insult. just like everyone who uses implied insulys.
I mean if you were not paranoid why start threads proclaiming your ancestry and a 'non-muslim' if it wasn't for the fact that you think anyone really gives a shit or that it has any bearing whatsoever in these discussions. Get over yourself!

You really have no idea why I created that thread. I got tired of having to defend against that ad hominum when the facts could be used to debate. Once again whining that people called you out on bullshit while attacking over shit you don't know the reasons for.




and lucy if you weren't implying I should be a terrorist why limit to gaza rather than the occupied territories.
 
Israel to raze 150 Palestinian homes

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Israel to raze 150 Palestinian homes
The Jerusalem Center for Social and Economic Rights (JCSER) stated that the new list of Palestinian homes slated for demolition does not include the 125 homes and apartments against which Israel had previously issued demolition orders.

Israel frequently orders hundreds of Palestinians to leave their homes in the occupied east Jerusalem Al-Quds, claiming that they do not have proper documentation for their dwellings.

The residents, however, argue that Israeli military occupation officials withhold their documents or refuse to issue documents for their houses.
The status of Jerusalem Al-Quds is among the crucial outstanding issues of the Middle East peace process, with the Palestinians reiterating that any Palestinian state should include the city as its capital.
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Under General Assembly Resolution 273, Israel was admitted on the condition that it grant all Palestinians the right to return to their homes and receive compensation for lost or damaged property, according to General Assembly Resolution 194, paragraph 11.

Suffice to say, Israel has never lived up to these terms.
Israel's membership in the UN is therefore null and void.
 
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Apparently, this is how a "democracy" works. Any information on where the Palestinians will go? Gaza perhaps? Where they will need to be defended against with blockades and white phosphorus for not understanding the anguish of the Jewish state?
 
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Well you know what they say, beware of what you wish for:

Sultan Abu al-Ghneim, who represents Fatah in the refugee camps of Lebanon, gave a speech last week at a Ramallah rally and called on Fatah to resume suicide bombings against Israel, according to the report in the London-based Al-Quds al-Arabi. But how reliable the report is remains unclear.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1121968.html
 
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