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Some resources on the IP conflict [hype and the other mods could add to these as they see fit or move it to the OP]

From Palestinian groups:

Maan News Agency: the local news source for most Palestinians

The Palestine Chronicle: leading online magazine/blog/newspaper for Palestinian issues

Palestine Remembered: Keeping alive the Palestinian nation

Bi'lin: a Palestinian village, center of the nonviolent resistance

Raising Yousuf and Noor: a mother from Gaza [although technically she is American]


From Israeli groups:

B'Tselem:Israeli human rights group

Ha'aretz: left leaning newspaper chronicling Israeli POV

Zochrot [Remembering]: To educate the Nakba deniers

ICAHD: Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions

Machsom watch: tracking abuse at the checkpoints

Shministim: Israeli teenagers who refuse to join the IDF

Ometz LeSarev [Courage to Refuse]: IDF refuseniks

ibn Ezra: blog of Joseph Dana from Israel, he is also part of the Ta'ayush movement for Arab-Israeli partnership


from American groups:

Tikun Olam

Electronic Intifada

Jewish Voice for Peace

Jews sans frontieres

Mondoweiss

Ta'anit Tzedek - Jewish Fast For Gaza

Lawrence of Cyberia: American activist Diane Mason

Just World News: by Helen Cobban


from Australian groups:

Antony Loewenstein

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Moderator Note:

Thanks, that's very helpful Sam.

IP Conflict References can now be accessed at the Top of this thread. If anyone would like to augment these references with further links, please let me know.

-hypewaders
 
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Gazans paint stripes on donkey so children can still go to the zoo:

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http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/gazans-paint-stripes-on-donkeys-so-kids-can-still-go-to-zoo.html
 
Why do so many people think most Israeli Jews come from Europe/are white?

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The majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahim, whoa re from the million Jwes who were expelled from the middle east in the 40s.

Out of 5,393,000 Jews in Israel

3,100,000 are Mizrahi

725,000 are Sephardi

2,817,000 are Ashkenazi


Yet over and over and over again one hears that Israelis are "European" or "White" etc etc. I guess this is an example of the success of the rhetoric by the surrounding countries, but it has no basis in reality.
 
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Musichascolors source does not seem to be internet or at least a little quick googling with his information did not turn up any candidates for his source.

Still his/her numbers are in line with what Wikipedia has give or take a few hundred thousand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

Unrelated to Musichascolors stats the Wikipedia article never said whether the 400,00+ Israeli Citizens living in the occupied territories are part of the "The State of Israel had population of approximately 7,465,500 inhabitants as of September 2009." I assume the Israeli citizens living in the occupied territories are counted as "inhabitants" while Israeli citizens living in the USA would not be inhabitants of Israel.

I assume that mixed Mizrahim and Ashkenazi couples have already had 100,00+ children together.

Mizrahim may be equal to Ashkenazi in numbers but are they also equal in political clout?
 
Go to the wiki pages for Mizrahi Jews, Sepahrdic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews.

Mizrahi are the vast majority.

I expect the Anti-Israel posters will change from lying about Israelis being Europeans, to lying and saying most Israelis are discriminated against. Which will be laughable, but they most likely will try to change the subject to that.
 
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Musichascolors said:
The majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahim, whoa re from the million Jwes who were expelled from the middle east in the 40s.

Out of 5,636,000 Jews in Israel

3,100,000 are Mizrahi

725,000 are Sephardi

2,817,000 are Ashkenazi


Yet over and over and over again one hears that Israelis are "European" or "White" etc etc. I guess this is an example of the success of the rhetoric by the surrounding countries, but it has no basis in reality.
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so a total of roughly 3.5 million are european as compared to 3.1 not european is proof that most Israelis aren't european descent? (note to music has colors the Iberian pennisula is part of europe)
 
Musichascolors said:
Go to the wiki pages for Mizrahi Jews, Sepahrdic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews.

Mizrahi are the vast majority.

I expect the Anti-Israel posters will change from lying about Israelis being Europeans, to lying and saying most Israelis are discriminated against. Which will be laughable, but they most likely will try to change the subject to that.
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what's laughable is you own proof that most Israelis aren't european shows the oppisite. Sepahrdi and Ashkenazi are both European.
 
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what's laughable is you own proof that most Israelis aren't european shows the oppisite. Sepahrdi and Ashkenazi are both European.
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You should also learn to read the topic title.

Sephardi includes Jews from North Africa.

Everyone knows how many times "anti Israelis" go off about the Jews in Israel being "white Europeans" and of course its BS. But they keep saying it.
 
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Musichascolors said:
You should also learn to read the topic title.

Sephardi includes Jews from North Africa.

Everyone knows how many times "anti Israelis" go off about the Jews in Israel being "white Europeans" and of course its BS. But they keep saying it.
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I know. and much of the north african jewry came from the Iberian with the christian efforts against them. Its not BS its true as your own fucking data shows but your to biased to admit it. I read the topic title its bullshit
 
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I know. and much of the north african jewry came from the Iberian with the christian efforts against them. Its not BS its true as your own fucking data shows but your to biased to admit it. I read the topic title its bullshit
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Lol, so you are saying they're still white Europeans because they came to Morocco in the 7th century?

It's ridiculous.

Most Sephardim aren't white, just letting you know.
 
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if they didn't intergrate like they did in spain yes
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Classic, they're not white anyway.

Hey, guess what everyone, Jews who originated in the Middle East, were in Spain for a short period of time, and then went to Morrocco for over a thousand years, are EUROPEAN. And white... somehow (but they're not) (/sarcasm)

Amazing the logic hoops you'll twist yourself through.

Not only that, but you'll ignore the topic title, and argue a different point, just so long as you can argue SOMETHING.

It's so predictable.
 
Musichascolors: "Why so many people think most Israeli Jews come from Europe/are white?"

It's not about their hue, it's about their due.
 
Musichascolors said:
Classic, they're not white anyway.
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the people of the Iberian are white.

Hey, guess what everyone, Jews who originated in the Middle East, were in Spain for a short period of time, and then went to Morrocco for over a thousand years, are EUROPEAN. And white... somehow (but they're not) (/sarcasm)
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Funny last time i checked the year isn't 2500. The jews forced out were forced out in the late 1400's. but than again little things like facts clearly aren't going to sway you.

Amazing the logic hoops you'll twist yourself through.
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no hoops or twisting just common sense.

Not only that, but you'll ignore the topic title, and argue a different point, just so long as you can argue SOMETHING.
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So answering the question by refuting your wrong conclusion is ignoring the topic at hand. Your twisting of reality, logic and reason is awe inspiring
 
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