Israel begins sell-off of refugees' land

[S.A.M.]

Maybe, but Americans are paying Jews 3 billion a year for crimes committed elsewhere to their [mostly dead] grandparentswhile ignoring their own homegrown crimes e.g. I did not see, in the native American museum, any mention of incidents like the "expression of joy" at the burning alive of 400 Pequot Indians in Massachusetts, whereas the Holocaust museum near the Washington monument had wall to wall stories of crimes against the Jews.

 

[WillNever]

The crimes aren't ignored. Most everyday Americans know that the American Indians were brutalized.

However, it isn't known in as much detail or with as much documentation, because it happened long, long ago. We have photographs and survivors of the Holocaust. Meanwhile, we have very boring and very hard to read writings on the Trail of Tears -- which is well covered in most Native American history displays anyway. It's the organization, the deliberateness, and the recency of the killing the Holocaust that strikes most people. It's the World War surrounding it. For the Native Americans, the point was always just to get them off the land. The Holocaust was designed purely to kill. That's a much scarier idea to many people.

 

[S.A.M.]

The crimes aren't ignored. Most everyday Americans know that the American Indians were brutalized.

However, it isn't known in as much detail or with as much documentation, because it happened long, long ago. We have photographs and survivors of the Holocaust. Meanwhile, we have very boring and very hard to read writings on the Trail of Tears -- which is well covered in most Native American history displays anyway. It's the organization and deliberateness of the killing the Holocaust that strikes most people. For the Native Americans, the point was always just to get them off the land. The Holocaust was designed purely to kill. That's a much scarier idea to many people.

By your logic, if they all had been killed then it would not have mattered once the Nazis were dead. But the Palestinians are still here and still alive and their stories remain unheard and the massacre goes on so Jews can resurrect a 2000 year old language and an archaic tribal mythology that contravenes the Geneva conventions and would not be the choice of Jews if they were subject to it by others.

In fact, they would at the forefront of abolishing such an inhumane and racist ideology.

 

[pjdude1219]

The crimes aren't ignored. Most everyday Americans know that the American Indians were brutalized.

However, it isn't known in as much detail or with as much documentation, because it happened long, long ago. We have photographs and survivors of the Holocaust. Meanwhile, we have very boring and very hard to read writings on the Trail of Tears -- which is well covered in most Native American history displays anyway. It's the organization, the deliberateness, and the recency of the killing the Holocaust that strikes most people. It's the World War surrounding it. For the Native Americans, the point was always just to get them off the land. The Holocaust was designed purely to kill. That's a much scarier idea to many people.

and the holocaust targeted more than jews but only the jews have been compensated for it.

 

[WillNever]

By your logic, if they all had been killed then it would not have mattered once the Nazis were dead.

How so?

 

[S.A.M.]

In the same way that the Americans don't think it matters enough to even mention what happened to the 400 Pequot Indians in the native American museum.

 

[WillNever]

and the holocaust targeted more than jews but only the jews have been compensated for it.

That isn't correct. Being Jewish is not a requirement for a stipend in Germany.

However, they shouldn't pay anybody. The Third Reich is gone and the German government today consists of nobody who took part in the Holocaust. It doesn't really make sense to burden the current generation of Germans for things they didn't do.

 

[WillNever]

In the same way that the Americans don't think it matters enough to even mention what happened to the 400 Pequot Indians in the native American museum.

Who are "The Americans?" Do you mean the American(s) who built some display in a museum somewhere? I'm sure that somewhere, some museum has got a record of it. What difference does it make?

 

[hypewaders]

Sam: "I didn't see any holocaust remembrance [in Washington]."

Then you need to come back. I'll take you there

 

[S.A.M.]

Sam: "I didn't see any holocaust remembrance [in Washington]."

Then you need to come back.

I saw that one. Gruesome as it was it made me wonder why the Vietnam memorial was not as detailed. Or the Korean war memorial.

Vietnam memorial

Korean war memorial

Holocaust memorial museum

Why are America's victims faceless?

 

[hypewaders]

Not to me, and I'm not alone.

 

[WillNever]

No documentation of the 400 Indians names? Just a thought.

 

[S.A.M.]

Has anyone asked the Pequots? People hold on to tragedies when they are left unfinished.

 

[hypewaders]

"Has anyone asked the Pequots?"

Good idea. I'll be right back...

 

[WillNever]

Probably nobody knows or cares, nor should they be expected to. There are muslims who don't care that some idiotic fanatics drove two planes into the World Trade Center, either. I don't hear talk of any Sept. 11 memorials in the countries where the group who did that (and the groups who harbored them) reside.

The atrocities of Germany, Korea, Iraq, etc. all happened in the last century, and we know the names of the people who were killed because how they were hunted down in many cases. Not knowing the names of the people or what they looked like doesn't make their deaths less significant. But it makes them less memorable.

 

[S.A.M.]

Probably nobody knows or cares

Which is why I said:

By your logic, if they all had been killed then it would not have mattered once the Nazis were dead.

 

[WillNever]

Nay, it still would have mattered. I gave like four reasons we remember the Holocaust, besides there being survivors. That is one reason, however.

 

[S.A.M.]

There are survivors of the Pequots too and it doesn't matter because no one cares.

But the native Americans are still there and their restitution still unfinished. Sometime, it will become an issue they will have to deal with

Likewise, Palestinians will be there and sometime, the Jews will have to deal with them.

 

[WillNever]

There are survivors of the Pequots too and it doesn't matter because no one cares.

But the native Americans are still there and their restitution still unfinished. Sometime, it will become an issue they will have to deal with

Likewise, Palestinians will be there and sometime, the Jews will have to deal with them.

No there aren't. There are descendants of the Pequots... but no direct survivors of that burning. The ones today didn't survive anything. Likely there won't be any dealing with the Pequot issue. More likely is that one day almost all of the Native Americans will have blended so far with American culture that they won't even identify themselves as Pequot at all, and life will go on.

As for the Palestinians, some day soon all the first generation muslims who had their homes taken away will be dead and gone... and all that will be left are descendants who will not have the same direct, legit claim to lost lands that their parents did. As time goes on, getting any land will be harder for Palestinians, not easier.

 

[S.A.M.]

As time goes on, getting any land will be harder for Palestinians, not easier

Maybe, then again, maybe not. The Jews got their mythical claim after 2000 years, even if they had to walk through a sea of dead Jews to get there. Its a cost benefit analysis, how much are you willing to give up to get your rights? Not every Palestinian will be willing to pay the price. And they shouldn't. But the Jewish state will dissolve under the weight of its own crimes and take Judaism with it. That will be what the Jews will pay for their land.