Islams messsage of peace and love

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Here is a SMALL sampling of some current islamic ideology

The obligation of hating false religious
This Saturday's LIVE talk on Paltalk will discuss one of the greatest
forgotten obligations in Islaam - Hating false religions. Allaah (swt)
orders the believers to hate all other religions, way of lives, creeds,
doctrines and beliefs that contradict with Islaam, and one cannot be
Muslim without to declare animosity and hatred towards kufr, bid'ah,
shirk and nifaaq (Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism,
Buddhism, Democracy, Freedom etc.).

Date and time: 27th of March 2004, from 5:30pm - 6:30pm GMT
Room: LIVE - Hating false religions
Speaker: Abu Muwahhid

From the kafir loving folks over at Al-Muhajiroun
http://www.almuk.com/obm/paltalk.html


From Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)

Question :
Is it haram to have iftar with non muslims like hindu,christian.etc...?.

Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.

It is permissible to have iftaar with non-Muslims if there is a shar’i reason for doing so, such as calling them to the true religion, or softening their hearts towards Islam, etc, which are what is hoped for if they come and eat iftaar at the tables set up for communal iftaar, as happens in some countries. But if it is done just to be friendly towards them and enjoy their company, this is a dangerous matter, because the principle of al-wala' wa'l-bara' (befriending the believers and showing enmity towards the disbelievers) is one of the basic principles of Islam, and one of the most important duties of the believers. ...

linky link http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=38125&dgn=4

Slavery and islam

Allah is our creator and ultimate Master. We, as his creations and slaves
are obliged to express our servitude to Him Alone. If one does not submit
his slavery to Allah, which of course is far more heinous and unjust to
Allah in comparison to the 'injustices' of slavery and sexual relationship,
etc. by a human master.

Since the human being did not willingly submit to the ultimate Master,
Allah, He condemns them to the unwilling slavery of his sincere slaves. And
by understanding the powers of a man master, they may understand the Powers
of the True Master, Allah. In fact, the concept of slavery should be
regarded as a concept of mercy, as the heinous crime of rejecting Allah as
our Master demands immediate terminating of life. Allah, our kind Master,
has granted an opportunity to his very negators to enjoy a second chance of
life and redirect it to the right avenue by submitting to Him as the
ultimate Master.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

From the happy people over at
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=1928


Conclusion on meaning of jihad from the loving community over at http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/jihad/#epilogue

My brothers! The ummah that knows how to die a noble and honourable death is granted an exalted life in this world and eternal felicity in the next. Degradation and dishonour are the results of the love of this world and the fear of death. Therefore prepare for jihad and be the lovers of death. Life itself shall come searching after you.

My brother, you should know that one day you will face death and this ominous event can only occur once. If you suffer on this occasion in the way of Allah, it will be to your benefit in this world and your reward in the next. And remember brother that nothing can happen without the Will of Allah: ponder well what Allah, the Blessed, the Almighty, has said:

‘Then after the distress, He sent down security for you. Slumber overtook a party of you, while another party was thinking about themselves (as to how to save themselves, ignoring the others and the Prophet) and thought wrongly of Allah - the thought of ignorance. They said, "Have we any part in the affair?" Say you (O Muhammad): "Indeed the affair belongs wholly to Allah." They hide within themselves what they dare not reveal to you, saying: "If we had anything to do with the affair, none of us would have been killed here." Say: "Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death: but that Allah might test what is in your hearts; and to purify that which was in your hearts (sins), and Allah is All-Knower of what is in (your) hearts."’

(Surat al-Imran (3), ayah 154)

You should yearn for an honourable death and you will gain perfect happiness. May Allah grant myself and yours the honour of martyrdom in His way!

This isn't even the tip of the iceberg If any muslims have a problem with this then I suggest you take it up with the muslims who follow this I simply pasted quotes and links from muslim sites. More to come

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Here is a SMALL sampling of some current islamic ideology

just like George Orwell's "1984", islam is doubletalk, lets see:
islam is peace =war
islam is submission=oppression
islam is surrender =slaughter

ask Hindus about the 500-year jihad they had to endur

 

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Doublespeak or outright sunnah approved lying called "al-Taqiyya/Dissimulation" .
On lying to promote islam

Disclaimer:Again this is from a muslim website NOT me personally

 

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Disbelievers-Their Characteristics & Status In The Hereafter
characteristics of non-believers
Quote:
.... the Prophet said: “Whenever Allaah hates a slave, He calls Jibreel and says, ‘O Jibreel! I, indeed, hate so-and-so therefore you must also hate him. Then Jibreel will hate him and proclaim to the inhabitants of the heaven that Allaah hates so-and-so, therefore they too should hate him, then the inhabitants of the heaven will hate him, and his hatred will then be spread among the inhabitants of the earth.” (Al-Bukhaaree & Muslim).

Lifeless objects decry Kaafir disbelief and the Blessed Land will eject them in the End of Time. Stones and trees will say, “O Muslim! Here is a Kaafir!”


The Kaafir is the worst of Allaah’s creatures. He says: “They are the worst of creatures.” (Al-Bayyinah: 6).



When a Kaafir dies, the whole of humanity are relieved. (a non-muslim is a kafir)
Dear Muslims! Emulating a people in their outward dispositions necessitates emulating them in their inner characters. Emulating the first generation of this ummah who are the Sahaabah and at-Taabi’een increases one in intellect, religiosity and good conduct while emulating the non-Muslims in their outward characteristics leads to emulating them in their conducts and ugly deeds. It also makes one love them. Therefore differ from idolaters and disbelievers in their behaviour and opinions and beware of taking them as friends. You should hate them, disown them and their religion and be proud of your religion. Strive for their guidance and call them to Islaam.

Again from an islamic source NOT me

 

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Jihad what is it

Myth: Jihad is only defensive

Another distortion that is promoted is the idea that Jihad is only defensive. The protagonists of this idea again utilise certain misinterpretations to justify their positions.

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress the limits. For Allah loves not the transgressors” [TMQ Al-Baqarah: 190].

“And if they incline to peace, you incline to it also, and trust in Allah. Verily! He is the hearer, the knower” [TMQ Al-A’raf: 61].

These two verses however, cannot abrogate the 119 other verses of Qur’an that suggest that Jihad is not merely limited to defensive war alone. These 119 verses, which are general and absolute, indicate that Jihad encompasses all of the following types of war:

There is more here

Jihad in Islam

Notice what the author says there are 2 instances where jihad is talked about as a personal struggle and there are 119 verses that say otherwise
non-muslims are fair game ALWAYS so much for peaceful islam

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Jihad what is it



There is more here

Jihad in Islam

Notice what the author says there are 2 instances where jihad is talked about as a personal struggle and there are 119 verses that say otherwise
non-muslims are fair game ALWAYS so much for peaceful islam

thanks for your link, I found this very interesting quotation. It reminds me of the sayin,"War without end, amen".
From:
http://www.geocities.com/islamthetruereligion/pictures/khilafah1.html

12. What is the difference between the one who refrains from establishing a Khaleefah and the one who embarks on working to establish a Khaleefah?
To refrain from establishing a Khaleefah for the Muslims is a great sin because it is abstaining from carrying out a very important fard of Islam, upon which the implementation of the divine laws depends, even upon which the presence of Islam in the battlefield of life depends as well. So Muslims as a whole commit a great sin by refraining from establishing a Khaleefah for all Muslims. And if they agreed to remain without a Khaleefah the sin would befall all Muslims in the entire world. If some of the Muslims embarked on working to establish a Khaleefah and the others did not, the sin will drop from the shoulders of those who started to work to establish the Khaleefah, while the fard remains on them until the Khaleefah is appointed. This is so because the involvement in establishing the fard removes the sin for the delay of its fulfilment in its time, and for its non-fulfilment despite one’s engagement in the work for establishing it, and despite his hatred of that which prevents him from accomplishing it.

non-muslims, read OBL's fatwa against the US & the West. You are doomed, so surrender or fight
From:
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders
World Islamic Front Statement 23 February 1998
Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlur Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh
Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

This is a war of hearts & minds, not just swords & spears. Are you armed?

 

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Disbelievers-Their Characteristics & Status In The Hereafter
characteristics of non-believers
Quote:
.... the Prophet said: “Whenever Allaah hates a slave, He calls Jibreel and says, ‘O Jibreel! I, indeed, hate so-and-so therefore you must also hate him. Then Jibreel will hate him and proclaim to the inhabitants of the heaven that Allaah hates so-and-so, therefore they too should hate him, then the inhabitants of the heaven will hate him, and his hatred will then be spread among the inhabitants of the earth.” (Al-Bukhaaree & Muslim).

Lifeless objects decry Kaafir disbelief and the Blessed Land will eject them in the End of Time. Stones and trees will say, “O Muslim! Here is a Kaafir!”


The Kaafir is the worst of Allaah’s creatures. He says: “They are the worst of creatures.” (Al-Bayyinah: 6).



When a Kaafir dies, the whole of humanity are relieved. (a non-muslim is a kafir)
Dear Muslims! Emulating a people in their outward dispositions necessitates emulating them in their inner characters. Emulating the first generation of this ummah who are the Sahaabah and at-Taabi’een increases one in intellect, religiosity and good conduct while emulating the non-Muslims in their outward characteristics leads to emulating them in their conducts and ugly deeds. It also makes one love them. Therefore differ from idolaters and disbelievers in their behaviour and opinions and beware of taking them as friends. You should hate them, disown them and their religion and be proud of your religion. Strive for their guidance and call them to Islaam.

Again from an islamic source NOT me

i under stand your argument on this thread but i dont get what the point is of the above post. firstly, Allah is saying he hates a Kafir does that mean he wont give him life, food, clothes etc. all it is saying that Allah and the angles dont like him. and why do you think this is? becasue Allah made this person and this person doesn't believe in him. you can not compare the mercy of Allah. he hates this person but still gives him everything this worlds has to offer and most of all life. the meaning Kafir is not believing in one God. the very simplest description of a Muslim is someone who believs in One God with perfect atributes. basically Allah may hate this person but so what? this guy doesn't believ in Allah in the first place or if he does belives he has imperfect attributes. in no religion does the God like disbelivers. now he may tell people to act kind;y with them like Islam does but the point is no religion says God loves disbelivers.

 

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Excuse me but are you attributing HATE an emotion which almost ALL of humanity (as pitiful as we are)regards as bad, something we need to rise above to a SUPREME BEING?? Just trying to get it right here. The god you worships hates his own creations??

ACT KINDLY WITH THEM THE WAY ISLAM DOES? DID YOU READ WHAT YOU QUOTED THERE DID YOU READ THE POST ABOUT JIHAD? if THAT is your idea of kindness I don't want to know what you think unkind means.

 

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Well, maybe hate is too strong of a word. Maybe in the original Arabic it comes out as "mildly dislikes" or "finds annoying".

The whole concept boggles my mind. How anyone can attribute human emotions to a being that is supposed to represent the meaning behind the universe is beyond me.

Or for that matter, the idea of a creator having gender. Gender comes from sexual reproduction, surely these people don't think that god needs to procreate?

If there is an underlying purpose to all that there is, it is probably so far beyond human comprehension as to render our pathetic attempts to understand it comical.

It certainly has nothing to do with these creation myths from ignorant desert savages. These tales are left over from a more ignorant age, and any attempt to take them at face value is worthy of contempt and ridicule.

 

[Vienna]

Islams messsage of peace and love


Islam is a religion born out of violence, propagated through violence, and still accustomed to violence even today. This can clearly be seen by examining the teachings and record of Islam.

These are the two primary means by which to judge the charactre of a religion on some question. You look at the established, recognised, plainly understood teachings of that religion, and then you look at the manner and methodology by which those most faithful to that religion carry out their adherence to their belief system.

Though violence towards those of other faiths is certainly not unknown among other of the world's religions, Islam goes further than the other various false religious systems in the world is that its holy texts command and commend religiously-motivated violence against unbelievers.

It‘s not just a matter of countenancing it, of turning a blind eye. Rather, the Qur‘an and the ahadith support and encourage the faithful to press violent jihad against non-Muslims.

THIS IS WHAT THE QURAN SAYS.....

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. [Qu'ran 9.29]

Notice then:"Fight","until ", "pay", "feel". Were the verse only an "ancient historical account of a battle", the verse would say "Fought", "paid", and "felt". Even a school boy understands the difference between present and past tense sentance structure. Muslims then go on to attempt to continue their denial by citing the Bible's Old Testament passages of violence and war as evidence that Islam is no different than any other religion in it's accounts of violence. Nothing could be further from the truth, and this argument by them is decimated by the striking difference in sentance structure between the Bible and the Qu'ran:

"The Lord said to David", "And David slew Goliath", "and the Lord commanded them", "and they went up".

In fact, the past tense sentance structure of The Bible's historical content is clearly self evident in it's recognition of seperation of statements of doctrine from recounting of past events. That the Qu'ran's verses of war against Jews and Christians are specificly NOT written in the past tense is PROOF that the commands are statements of permanent doctrine with regard to the treatment of Jews and Christians.



Qu'ran's commandments to followers of Islam:

Then fight in Allah' s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment. [Qu'ran 4:84]

I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them [Qu'ran 8:12]

Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers, [Qu'ran 9:14]

In the Qu'ran, the Muslim is also absolved by Allah from any personal moral culpability for the murder of unbelievers. Read the following verse:

It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah's: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself [Qu'ran 8:17]

As compelling as the facts thus far in evidence are that Islam explicitly teaches it's followers to wage war against Jews and Christians, there is one final argument the Islamic propagandist bent upon concealing the true nature of Islam from the westerner makes when all else fails. It goes something like this:

" You can not rely on the translations of the Qu'ran into English. The glorious Qu'ran contains the very speech of Allah and it's true meaning can only be understood in Arabic where it's sacred message is unveiled by Allah himself ".

We are able to decimate this blatent lie with the "Surah". What is a Surah? A Surah is a clarification and a summation of the MEANING of specific verses of the Qu'ran for Islamic doctrine.

Surah are not "the actual speech of Allah", but the Islamic tradition's OWN INTERPERTATION of the Qu'ran to the followers of Islam.

Let us then look at Islam's OWN interpertation of Islam...........

It is a 'divine' commandment to persecute Jews and Christians, to defeat them in battle and then to consign them either to slavery or to death (Surah 8:39; 9:5,29: 47:4).

 

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The whole concept boggles my mind. How anyone can attribute human emotions to a being that is supposed to represent the meaning behind the universe is beyond me.

One of the most ridiculous concepts to me is the idea that god (a being so far above our state that he is impossible for us to comprehend)wants his little creations to spend large amounts of time on their knees saying "you are the greatest lord" "you are number 1 god" etc etc. What is he some sort of insecure tyrant in need of reaffirmation? Think how many poor people could have been housed and fed with the time and money humanity has expended on building houses of worship (mosques, churches etc.) and prayer.
I would like a god who saw people praying came down and said "HEY idiots! quit wasting time on this, go out there and make the world a better place NOW!"

 

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Think how many poor people could have been housed and fed with the time and money humanity has expended on building houses of worship (mosques, churches etc.) and prayer.

Think of how quickly poverty world over, could have been eradicated, if everyone gave 10+% of their earnings to the poor. It's not religious buildings that are the culprit here.

 

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Think of how quickly poverty world over, could have been eradicated, if everyone gave 10+% of their earnings to the poor. It's not religious buildings that are the culprit here

OK getting off track here so I won't comment in this thread, this is for another thread please.

 

[James R]

The first post of this thread does not seem to raise any particular topic for discussion...

 

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The first post of this thread does not seem to raise any particular topic for discussion...

So muslims just accept it as fact and that is islam, fine. Then they should just quit claiming islam is about peace and love because it isn't admit the truth about it and move on.

 

[Vienna]

The first post of this thread does not seem to raise any particular topic for discussion...

I agree with you James. Islam doesn't have a message of peace therefore no comments can be made.

 

[WildBlueYonder]

It certainly has nothing to do with these creation myths from ignorant desert savages. These tales are left over from a more ignorant age, and any attempt to take them at face value is worthy of contempt and ridicule.

don't look now, but they are all around you, they left the desert for more opportunities. their life is worth 72 virgins in their paradise, so whats so displeasing about a martyrs' death to them? and sending a few hundred kafirs to hell is a bonus, look out for abandoned backpacks