To be fair there are native americans all over south america, it is hard to say what the poplulation in north america was hundreds of years ago. I would think that they were mostly in the warmer climates down south. But you have these same people all over south america.
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To be fair there are native americans all over south america, it is hard to say what the poplulation in north america was hundreds of years ago. I would think that they were mostly in the warmer climates down south. But you have these same people all over south america.
92% of the Native American tribes have no sovereign immunity, as they are not recognised. Legally, they have no right to their land.
I apologize for being so stupid. I was trying so hard to remember the name, and I finally just did: Indian Boarding schools in the US. They were pretty much exactly like the RS in Canada - just had a different name. Most important of all (if I recall correctly) they were mandatory.
Glad I remembered that. Nearly drove me crazy.
Where are you getting the 92 percent number? If they are all living on the reservations, it should not be hard to identify a tribe. If all the Native Americans were sent to reservations. You have the reservation land, you have people living on the land. You also have a treaty entitling the tribe to the lands. It should not be hard to figure out who and who is not entitled. Where is their treaty, granting them the lands?
Could it be that there are other folks out there trying to get in on the benefits of being a Native American Tribe without really being a Native American Tribe?
In order to have status as a Native American Tribe, one has to establish a tribe existed in the history of this country. That should not be a hard thing to do either. As Native Americans have been a vibrant and important part of the history of the United States, and given that we have lots of written records and articfacts of indian tribes.
Show me where that number comes from SAM.
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No problem Kadark.
From this website:
http://indigenousissuestoday.blogspot.com/2007/12/legal-status-of-native-american-tribes.html
You can find ask that guy why the number is so low.
Buffalo Roam
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Post to the thread, as things are today, the subject you and SAM have brought forward is about Native American and their lives today in America, and their lives today are good because we have changed the way thing were to the way they are now, mutual respect, and friendship, there is no Blood Feud, they and we don't practice the Islamic get even at any price, we have made our peace with each other, and we intend to keep it that way.
Except for the tiny details of mass physical and cultural genocide and not honoring the treaties made with them.
Of course you're happy fleecing them. Its not like they have any choice.
Highest suicide rates in the US though.
Native American males ages 20 years and older are (CDC 2003)
twice as likely to die from a motor vehicle crash.
nearly four times more likely to die from pedestrian-related injury.
nearly twice as likely to die from fire and burn injuries.
five times more likely to drown.
four times more likely to commit suicide.
three times more likely to be murdered.
Dying from happiness maybe?
Of course you're happy fleecing them. Its not like they have any choice.
Highest suicide rates in the US though.
Native American males ages 20 years and older are (CDC 2003)
twice as likely to die from a motor vehicle crash.
nearly four times more likely to die from pedestrian-related injury.
nearly twice as likely to die from fire and burn injuries.
five times more likely to drown.
four times more likely to commit suicide.
three times more likely to be murdered.
Dying from happiness maybe?
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
Seem that the Supreme Court says they are inherent sovereign authority that ruling was issued in 1991, and the 1978 Bureau of Indian Affairs established regulatory process for recognizing tribes was over turned.
Native American tribes are sovereign nations that retain many of their pre-colonial rights. Sovereign immunity is one of those rights. Because of this right, Native Americans are forced to be given a voice on an equal level as other government entities, and they are also free from prosecution by individuals. In terms of other indigenous peoples around the world, this is perhaps one example that can be taken from the U.S./Native American case book and applied to other indigenous peoples. That is, other countries need to also grant their indigenous peoples sovereign status as Native American tribes have.
Suits against Indian tribes are thus barred by sovereign immunity absent a clear waiver by the tribe or congressional abrogation” (509).
Native American tribes are sovereign nations that retain many of their pre-colonial rights. Sovereign immunity is one of those rights. Because of this right, Native Americans are forced to be given a voice on an equal level as other government entities, and they are also free from prosecution by individuals. In terms of other indigenous peoples around the world, this is perhaps one example that can be taken from the U.S./Native American case book and applied to other indigenous peoples. That is, other countries need to also grant their indigenous peoples sovereign status as Native American tribes have.
Except for the tiny details of mass physical and cultural genocide and not honoring the treaties made with them.
Of course you're happy fleecing them. Its not like they have any choice.
Highest suicide rates in the US though.
Native American males ages 20 years and older are (CDC 2003)
twice as likely to die from a motor vehicle crash.
nearly four times more likely to die from pedestrian-related injury.
nearly twice as likely to die from fire and burn injuries.
five times more likely to drown.
four times more likely to commit suicide.
three times more likely to be murdered.
Dying from happiness maybe?
If this is true SAM, it is a problem for the Native American Indian to solve. They make their own rules. We are not going to tell them how to live their lives. We will stand ready to help them if needed.
Can you spell IRONIC?
The URL you gave me, lists a lot of folks you claim to be tribes. The law asks them to prove it...not unreasonable in my opinion considering what they are asking for. And the 8 percent you referenced is of supposed tribes...they have not proven themselves to be tribes. The vast majority of Native American Indians are associated with a recognized tribe and lands.
The 8% of federally recognised tribes are individually recognised. ie 92% are not.
Yes SAM, that url was not to a federal site. The problem perceived in that article is that a bunch of people want to be federally recognized tribes and they are not currently recognized as such. So the reservation which you potrayed as a terrible place has a lot of people knocking wanting a reservation...funny.
Where were those folks 20 years ago?
Try these numbers on from Harvard Project on Indian Affairs:
Having started the 1990s with incomes lagging far behind those for the general U.S. population, American Indians in Indian Country experienced substantial growth in income per capita. Even with this Indian population rising by more than 20% between 1990 and 2000, real (inflation-adjusted) per capita Indian income rose by about one-third. For both gaming and non-gaming tribes, the overall rate of income growth substantially outstripped the 11% increase in real per capita income for the U.S. as a whole.
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/hpaied/overview.htm
From 1990 to 2000, Indian family poverty rates dropped by seven percentage points or more in non-gaming areas, and by about ten percentage points in gaming areas. For the U.S. as a whole, family poverty dropped eight-tenths of a percentage point.
Indian unemployment rates dropped by about two-and-a-half percentage points in non-gaming areas and by more than five percentage points in gaming areas. U.S. unemployment dropped by half a percentage point.
Housing overcrowding in Indian Country decreased during the decade, particularly in Indian areas without gaming. The percentage of American Indians living in homes with plumbing increased markedly in both gaming and non-gaming areas.
The proportion of adult Indians on reservations with less than a 9th grade education declined to about par with U.S. levels, and the proportion of Indian adults with college degrees rose substantially, though not enough to keep pace with the very substantial gains in overall U.S. college attainment.
Where were those folks 20 years ago?
Try these numbers on from Harvard Project on Indian Affairs:
Having started the 1990s with incomes lagging far behind those for the general U.S. population, American Indians in Indian Country experienced substantial growth in income per capita. Even with this Indian population rising by more than 20% between 1990 and 2000, real (inflation-adjusted) per capita Indian income rose by about one-third. For both gaming and non-gaming tribes, the overall rate of income growth substantially outstripped the 11% increase in real per capita income for the U.S. as a whole.
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/hpaied/overview.htm
From 1990 to 2000, Indian family poverty rates dropped by seven percentage points or more in non-gaming areas, and by about ten percentage points in gaming areas. For the U.S. as a whole, family poverty dropped eight-tenths of a percentage point.
Indian unemployment rates dropped by about two-and-a-half percentage points in non-gaming areas and by more than five percentage points in gaming areas. U.S. unemployment dropped by half a percentage point.
Housing overcrowding in Indian Country decreased during the decade, particularly in Indian areas without gaming. The percentage of American Indians living in homes with plumbing increased markedly in both gaming and non-gaming areas.
The proportion of adult Indians on reservations with less than a 9th grade education declined to about par with U.S. levels, and the proportion of Indian adults with college degrees rose substantially, though not enough to keep pace with the very substantial gains in overall U.S. college attainment.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
SAM the Tribes on the reservations control their own drinking age requirements, they are as determined in the 1991 by Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Associate Justice John Paul Stevens, domestic-dependent nations “which exercise inherent sovereign authority over their members and territories.
And the 8% aproval rating is for groups that want recognition since 1978, the vast majority of tribes were already recognized by the fact that they held Treaty with the United States, that is fact, it is the Johnny come latleys that are looking for hand outs, that have to prove native hearitage.
I will go State by State if you wish
These are the 40 Federally recognized tribes of Washington State;
Tribes and Villages of Washington
Chinook Tribe
PO Box 228
Chinook
WA 98614
360-777-8303
Fax: 777-8100
Chinook Tribe
PO Box 228
Chinook
Washington 98614
360-777-8303
Fax: 777-8100
Confederated Tribes of the Chehalis
Federally Recognized
420 Howanut Rd.
Oakville
WA 98568
360-273-5911
Fax: 273-5914
Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation
Federally Recognized
P.O. Box 150
Nespelem
WA 99155
509-634-2200 - 888-881-7684
Fax: 634-4116
Cowlitz Indian Tribe
Federally Recognized
1055 9th Avenue Suite B
Longview
WA 98632
360-577-8140
Duwamish Tribe
14235 Ambaum Blvd. SW
Burien
WA 98166-1464
206-431-1582
Fax: 431-1962
Hoh Tribal Business Council
Federally Recognized
2464 Lower Hoh Road
Forks
WA 98331
360-374-6582
Fax: 374-6549
Jamestown Band of S'Klallam Indians
Federally Recognized
1033 Old Blyn Highway
Sequim
WA 98382
360-683-1109
Fax: 681-3405
Kalispel Tribe
Federally Recognized
P.O. Box 39
USK
WA 99180- 0039
509-445-1147
Fax: 445-1705
Kikiallus Indian Nation
3933 Bagley Avenue N.
Seattle
WA 98103
206-632-2512
Lower Elwha Klallam Tribe
Federally Recognized
2851 Lower Elwha Road
Port Angeles
WA 98363
360-452-8471
Fax: 452-3428
Lummi Business Council
Federally Recognized
2616 Kwina Road
Bellingham
WA 98226- 9298
360-384-1489
Fax: 380-1850
Makah Nation
Federally Recognized
P. O. Box 115
Neah Bay
WA 98357
360-645-2201
Fax: 645-2788
Marietta Band of Nooksack Tribe
1827 Marine Drive
Bellingham
WA 98226
Muckleshoot Tribal Council
Federally Recognized
39015 - 172nd Avenue Southeast
Auburn
WA 98092
253-939-3311
Fax: 939-5311
Nisqually Indian Tribe
Federally Recognized
4820 She-Nah-Num Drive S.E
Olympia
WA 98513
360-456-5221
Fax: 438-8618
Nooksack Indian Tribe
Federally Recognized
5048 Mt. Baker Hwy
Deming
WA 98244
360-592-5176
Fax: 592-5753
Port Gamble S'Klallam Tribe
Federally Recognized
31912 Little Boston Road NE
Kingston
WA 98346
360-297-2646
Fax: 297-7097
Puyallup Tribe
Federally Recognized
1850 Alexander Avenue
Tacoma
WA 98421
1-800-653-4689, 253-597-6200
Fax: 253-573-7930
Quileute Tribe
Federally Recognized
P.O. Box 279
La Push
WA 98350
360-374-6163
Fax: 374-6311
Quinault Indian Nation
Federally Recognized
P.O. Box 189
1214 Aalis
Taholah
WA 98587
360-276-8215
Fax: 276-4191
Samish Indian Nation
Federally Recognized
P.O. Box 217
2918 Commercial Avenue
Anacortes
WA 98221
360-293-6404
Fax: 299-0790
Sauk-Suiattle Reservation
Federally Recognized
5318 Chief Brown Lane
Darrington
WA 98241
360-436-0131
Seattle Indian Center
611 Twelfth Avenue South - Suite 300
Seattle
WA 98144
206-329-8700
Fax: 328-5983
Seattle Indian Health Board
P.O. Box 3364
Seattle
WA 98114
206-324-9360
Shoalwater Bay Reservation
Federally Recognized
P. O. Box 130
Tokeland
WA 98590
360-267-6766
Fax: 267-6778
Skokomish Reservation
Federally Recognized
N. 80 Tribal Center Road
Skokomish
WA 98584- 9748
360-426-4232
Fax: 877-5943
Snohomish Tribe of Indians
11014 19th Ave SE suite #8 PMB 101
Everett
Washington 98208
425-744-1855
Snoqualmie Tribe
Federally Recognized
P. O. Box 670
Fall City
WA 98024
425-222-6900
Fax: 222-7798
Snoqualmoo Tribe
P. O. Box 463
Coupeville
WA 98239
Spokane Tribe of Indians
Federally Recognized
6208 Ford/Wellpinit Road
P.O. Box 100
Wellpinit
WA 99040
509-258-4581, 1-888-201-4324
Fax: 258-9243
Squaxin Island Reservation
Federally Recognized
70 SE Squaxin Lane
Shelton
WA 98584
360-426-9781
Fax: 426-6577
Steilacoom Tribe
PO Box 88419
1515 Layfayette Street
Steilacoom
WA 98388
253-584-6308
Fax: 584-0224
Stillaguamish Reservation
Federally Recognized
3439 Stoluckquamish Lane
Arlington
WA 98223
360-652-7362
Fax: 435-7689
Suquamish (Port Madison)
Federally Recognized
PO Box 498
Suquamish
WA 98392
360-598-3311
Fax: 598-6295
Swinomish Indian Tribal Community
Federally Recognized
P.O. Box 817
La Conner
WA 98257
360-466-3163
Fax: 466-5309
Tulalip Tribes
Federally Recognized
6700 Totem Beach Road
Marysville
WA 98270-9694
360-651-4000
Fax: 651-4032
Upper Skagit Tribe
Federally Recognized
2284 Community Plaza Way
Sedro Woolley
WA 98284
360-856-5501
Fax: 856-3175
Yakama Indian Nation
Federally Recognized
PO Box 151
Toppenish
WA 98948
509-865-5121
Fax: 865-8777
Yakama Nation
P. O. Box 151
Toppenish
WA 98948-
509-865-5121
Fax: 865-5528
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Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
Not any more.
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Of course not. After every remnant of their culture has been sent to oblivion, the schools serve no further purpose. The damage has already been done.