It's not, and since there is nothing in your OP to indicate such other than your own opinion (or rant) we can right off this thread as another, "I hate the US, yet I live there and take advantage of everything it has to offer and am dreading the fact of having to return to a third world country."
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It's not, and since there is nothing in your OP to indicate such other than your own opinion (or rant) we can right off this thread as another, "I hate the US, yet I live there and take advantage of everything it has to offer and am dreading the fact of having to return to a third world country."
In a heartbeat SAM! Below is a link to the site of a very small Native American Indian tribe.
http://www.potawatomi.org/default.aspx
They have a lot of tribal benefits that are not available to me. Additionally, they are a minority and as such get preferencial hiring status for federal and some local government jobs. Native Americans get every benefit I am entitled to as well as their tribal benefits. And I am happy for them, it is always good to see people doing well.
So you would be willing to give up your way of life to live under someone elses?
I assume you understood the question. The Native Americans would be in charge and you would be a minority living under their way of life.
I have no problem with that SAM. Now I would have a problem with doing it with Iran, but not Native Americans. What you don't understand SAM is that there is not much difference between the two life styles. Being a Native American, gives them some extra benefits. If you look at that link, you will see many who own their own business. And this is a very, very small tribe. Native American people are a very noble people.
What you don't understand is that we do not hate each other. We do not pursecute each other. We may at times have disagreements, but we are brothers and sisters. We don't go to war with each other whenever we have a disagreement. We have stood on the battle field together to face many an enemy together, and are doing so now and will continue to do so in the future.
What you don't understand is that we do not hate each other. We do not pursecute each other. We may at times have disagreements, but we are brothers and sisters. We don't go to war with each other whenever we have a disagreement. We have stood on the battle field together to face many an enemy together, and are doing so now and will continue to do so in the future.
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What benefits do you keep harping about?
You're assuming they will give you benefits. I'm saying you will live under their culture as a minority person.
And if it was such a great culture why were they all forced onto reservations?
LOOK at the URL, SAM. Each tribe has different benefits. In this case, they get subdized healthcare, childcare, business loans, housing benefits, elderly care. If I want any of that, I have to pay full cost.
What you don't understand SAM is that not everyone mistreats minorities. I would trust that Native Americans would treat me fairly. I have no problem submiting to their law.
And for this:
And if it was such a great culture why were they all forced onto reservations?
You need a lesson in American history. I suggest you read a book written by my uncle on the issue: The Movement for Indian Assimilation, 1860-1890, by Henry E Fritz
My Uncle was a professor and nationally recognized expert in Native American affairs.
You may ask me how I feel about living under a president who is of a minority race. And my answer, I look forward to it.
SAM, believe it or not, there are people who do not hate others of a different race, different religion, etc.
What you don't understand SAM is that not everyone mistreats minorities. I would trust that Native Americans would treat me fairly. I have no problem submiting to their law.
And for this:
And if it was such a great culture why were they all forced onto reservations?
You need a lesson in American history. I suggest you read a book written by my uncle on the issue: The Movement for Indian Assimilation, 1860-1890, by Henry E Fritz
My Uncle was a professor and nationally recognized expert in Native American affairs.
You may ask me how I feel about living under a president who is of a minority race. And my answer, I look forward to it.
SAM, believe it or not, there are people who do not hate others of a different race, different religion, etc.
Again, that is not my question,
I am not interested in the handouts they are receiving in lieu of having their lands and country. Most of them (92%) are not eve federally recognised.
They are not pets so I am not concerned with mistreatment. They are human beings with a language, a history and a culture that was subverted by colonialists who confined them to reservations, in many cases displacing them from their ancestral lands (where they buried their ancestors). The treaties signed iwth them were not honoured. In some cases their children were taken away for re-education.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlisle_Indian_Industrial_School
You seem to be unaware of what cultural genocide really is. Look around you, at your way of life. Imagine it all taken away from you, completely and entirely, your language, your food, your land, your music, your movies, your way of dressing and interaction, your pride in yourself and your identity. All forbidden or debased and ridiculed.
Would you exchange places with these native Americans?
The lynching of Native Americans is an aspect of American history directly related to the history of white colonization. The violent history coincides with a white supremist ideology; a doctrine based on a belief in the inherent superiority of the white race over all other races. It was the colonists' faith in this doctrine that motivated and was then used to justify the lynching of Native Americans, the violent taking of their lands, and the repression of their cultural practices.
Beginning in the 1600s, the colonist began a brutal massacre of different Native Americans tribes. This massacre resulted in the death of over nine million Native Americans by 1700. According to Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States: 1492-Present, the methods used to kill Native Americans during this genocidal period included lynching and the introduction of diseases by the colonists, forced migration among other tactics (12-16). This hideous treatment of Native Americans continued into the 1700s, when many were captured and made to work on plantations with African American slaves. Many rebelled and ran away from plantation life. Within the larger public sphere, fear of insurrection caused whites to separate their slaves from rebel Native American groups.
1776 marks an important moment in American history; the signing of the Declaration of Independence. However, this event did not liberate the Native Americans from violent treatment, nor from the dominating structure that the colonists imposed upon them. For example, Zinn claims that a section from the Declaration charges the King of England with “inciting slave rebellions and Indian attacks.” It reads: “[H]e has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions”(74). The reference to Native Americans as “merciless Indian savages” and the fact that the Declaration condemns the King of England for uniting with them are both indicators that the feeling of white supremacy was ever-present among the colonists and that the Declaration did not liberate Native Americans from the colonists' violent rule.
Following the signing of the Declaration of Independence, abuses against Native Americans continued. For example, in 1775 Massachusetts legislation was signed that promised a bounty for every male “Indian” scalp obtained. A more contemporary historical fact that reveals the longstanding oppression against Native Americans; by 1969 four hundred treaties that were signed to protect the Native Americans had been broken. In November of 1969, a landmark event occurred. A group of Native Americans landed on Alcatraz Island in the San Francisco Bay with the intention of occupying it. They “offered to buy Alcatraz in glass beads and red cloth, the price paid [to] Indians for Manhattan Island over three hundred years earlier” (Zinn 518). The federal government responded six months later with federal forces that invaded and physically removed the Native Americans. This event, which occurred thirty five years ago, confirms that the historical oppression and violence against Native Americans is still prevalent and that the feelings of white supremacy that fueled the colonist are still prevalent in the United States government.
http://amath.colorado.edu/carnegie/lit/lynch/native.htm
The lynching of Native Americans is an aspect of American history directly related to the history of white colonization. The violent history coincides with a white supremist ideology; a doctrine based on a belief in the inherent superiority of the white race over all other races. It was the colonists' faith in this doctrine that motivated and was then used to justify the lynching of Native Americans, the violent taking of their lands, and the repression of their cultural practices.
Beginning in the 1600s, the colonist began a brutal massacre of different Native Americans tribes. This massacre resulted in the death of over nine million Native Americans by 1700. According to Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States: 1492-Present, the methods used to kill Native Americans during this genocidal period included lynching and the introduction of diseases by the colonists, forced migration among other tactics (12-16). This hideous treatment of Native Americans continued into the 1700s, when many were captured and made to work on plantations with African American slaves. Many rebelled and ran away from plantation life. Within the larger public sphere, fear of insurrection caused whites to separate their slaves from rebel Native American groups.
1776 marks an important moment in American history; the signing of the Declaration of Independence. However, this event did not liberate the Native Americans from violent treatment, nor from the dominating structure that the colonists imposed upon them. For example, Zinn claims that a section from the Declaration charges the King of England with “inciting slave rebellions and Indian attacks.” It reads: “[H]e has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions”(74). The reference to Native Americans as “merciless Indian savages” and the fact that the Declaration condemns the King of England for uniting with them are both indicators that the feeling of white supremacy was ever-present among the colonists and that the Declaration did not liberate Native Americans from the colonists' violent rule.
Following the signing of the Declaration of Independence, abuses against Native Americans continued. For example, in 1775 Massachusetts legislation was signed that promised a bounty for every male “Indian” scalp obtained. A more contemporary historical fact that reveals the longstanding oppression against Native Americans; by 1969 four hundred treaties that were signed to protect the Native Americans had been broken. In November of 1969, a landmark event occurred. A group of Native Americans landed on Alcatraz Island in the San Francisco Bay with the intention of occupying it. They “offered to buy Alcatraz in glass beads and red cloth, the price paid [to] Indians for Manhattan Island over three hundred years earlier” (Zinn 518). The federal government responded six months later with federal forces that invaded and physically removed the Native Americans. This event, which occurred thirty five years ago, confirms that the historical oppression and violence against Native Americans is still prevalent and that the feelings of white supremacy that fueled the colonist are still prevalent in the United States government.
http://amath.colorado.edu/carnegie/lit/lynch/native.htm
Look in the mirror SAM.
There is no cultural genocide. The tribes retain their languages and traditions. They run their own affairs. They do not take handouts. They earn their own money. They have a very rich culture. The American Military has even used native Americans and their language to transmit military information.
I suggest you read my uncle's book. You seem to focus on a few mistakes and make that the norm. I suggest you focus on the result of those efforts. Without mistakes, we cannot learn and get better. As I have told you before, we make mistakes. But what seperates us from many other countries is that we do not hide them. We try to learn and get better.
I really suggest you look in the mirror.
It appears you want to go back to the 1600s and live them over. Those days are gone. No one living now was alive back then. No one now was a part of those travesties. And again, there were abuses on both sides...not just one.
So I suggest you get a time machine and go back to that period.
But we are living today, and the conditions you cite do not exist today. Will you find instances of hate crimes here and there...sure. There are always idiots willing to kill in the name of hate. But the culture does not support it and does everything it can to prevent it. Hate crimes carry extra penalties.
There is no cultural genocide. The tribes retain their languages and traditions. They run their own affairs. They do not take handouts. They earn their own money. They have a very rich culture. The American Military has even used native Americans and their language to transmit military information.
I suggest you read my uncle's book. You seem to focus on a few mistakes and make that the norm. I suggest you focus on the result of those efforts. Without mistakes, we cannot learn and get better. As I have told you before, we make mistakes. But what seperates us from many other countries is that we do not hide them. We try to learn and get better.
I really suggest you look in the mirror.
It appears you want to go back to the 1600s and live them over. Those days are gone. No one living now was alive back then. No one now was a part of those travesties. And again, there were abuses on both sides...not just one.
So I suggest you get a time machine and go back to that period.
But we are living today, and the conditions you cite do not exist today. Will you find instances of hate crimes here and there...sure. There are always idiots willing to kill in the name of hate. But the culture does not support it and does everything it can to prevent it. Hate crimes carry extra penalties.
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I do not call the subversion of millions of people in order to take over their land as "a few mistakes"
Buffalo Roam
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That was then this is now, and this is now, even then many didn't live on the reservation.
To day they still don't have to live on reservation, and with the Gaming Industry that they are the only ones allowed to run, they have really moved up, I would trade places with anyone of my Friends, as John said they get free health care, business loans, housing loans, child care, the schools are out standing, college education paid for by the Tribe.
What ever you think the Reservation is not a place of dispair, it is now a vibrant community, of hope and moving into the future, one other benefit that the Indians on the reservation have is that they pay no taxes, State or Federal, they get to keep all of the money they earn on the reservation, plus every man woman and child receives a share of the profit from the casino, every year.
Hell I I'd trade, and I am proud as a Tom at full strut that my friends have such a good life, they deserve it.
Look in the mirror SAM
How could you say that? The Residential Schools was blatant attempts to destroy the Native American culture. Retain their languages and traditions? If they tried that in the Residential Schools (which you were forced to attend, and could not leave without permission), they would have been beaten. Only English was tolerated. They were sexually assaulted, molested, and severely beaten for showing ANY signs of their culture. Telling Natives they can either: a) live on reserves (retain Indian status), or b) reject both the status and the reservation right altogether is a clear attempt to make Natives choose either the path of their heritage, or the path of the North American lifestyle. This ethnocide has robbed countless Natives of their language and culture; most of them are forced to assimilate to a foreign lifestyle.
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong look like right."
Black Hawk, Sauk
Show me an operational Residental School for Native American Indians in the United States Kadark and I'll give you a billion dollars. You know why, cause they don't exist!
Go ahead Kadark, I am waiting...name me an operational native American Indian residential school in the United States.
No cos they decided to simply put them on reservations and dishonor the treaties they had with them instead.
I am waiting, you said
"How could you say that? The Residential Schools was blatant attempts to destroy the Native American culture. Retain their languages and traditions? If they tried that in the Residential Schools (which you were forced to attend, and could not leave without permission), they would have been beaten. Only English was tolerated
Show me.
"How could you say that? The Residential Schools was blatant attempts to destroy the Native American culture. Retain their languages and traditions? If they tried that in the Residential Schools (which you were forced to attend, and could not leave without permission), they would have been beaten. Only English was tolerated
Show me.
Uh...bud, show me where I said the words "United States" in my post.
Everything I have said has gone over your head. I have said repeatedly, Native Americans exercise sovereignty over their lands. They control their own destiny and their own culture.
We are talking today, and you want to go back hundreds of years to generate hate. No one alive today commited any atrocity against the other...let's keep it that way.
We are talking today, and you want to go back hundreds of years to generate hate. No one alive today commited any atrocity against the other...let's keep it that way.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
SAM what don't you understand about the fact that Indians now days don't have to live on reservations, and that the Indian Schools no longer operate, what don't you understand that the reservation today are totally independent of the Government, that they have their own governments and councils, That they have the rights of Dual Citizenship, and the best of both worlds, what kind of dream do you live in, now post information pertinent for today, as things are today or I will ask that this thread be closed, if you will not engage in realistic debate I see no purpose for this thread.