Islam vs. the Western World: off-topic posts from a Religion thread

[ElectricFetus]

Then give them the proper arms.

They can get guns smuggled in from Jordon and Lebanon easy, they already do no matter how much Israeli tries to stop them.

So they can fight back the way you think is right. When they got rockets, they stopped blowing themselves up.

They have rockets but they keep shooting them towards Israeli towns, rather then much easier to hit closers target like Israeli check points and military bunkers inside Palestine, heck a shoulder rocket is all you need to hit those!

Whats it been two years since the last suicide bomber? Maybe this is an invesment opportunity for the US. Expand the arms trade. Give equal weaponry to both sides. I bet you'll see more conventional warfare.

We've done that in the past, we are probably doing it now already. I'm seeing more M16 in Palestinians "freedom fighter" photos. To bad they just use them in the photos to look cool instead of actually use them as real freedom fighters instead of terrorist.

Who knows, maybe if its 3000 Israelis for every 1000 Palestinians, instead of the current 3, they may also get motivated to move towards a peace agreement.

Now your thinking if the Palestinians stood up for them selves collectively and in the open, rather then as few hidden terrorist, Israeli would be forced to negotiate, as Israel can't kill them all massacre style without exploding from hypocrisy. Baron Max right what the Palestinians need are balls.

 

[S.A.M.]

50% of Palestinians are under 17. Or maybe its 60%. Then we count the adult women and elderly, the maimed from missile attacks. Lifespan is not very high when you're facing an army with stones.

Balls? You have got to be kidding. Spend a week in Gaza and tell me what balls you have left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1rmLAuvM8

 

[ElectricFetus]

50% of Palestinians are under 17. Or maybe its 60%. Then we count the adult women and elderly, the maimed from missile attacks. Lifespan is not very high when you're facing an army with stones.

There average life expectancy is 73.46 years (2007 est.) the reason 50% are under 17 is because they are breeding like rodents! They have a birth rate of 25.95 births/1,000 population (2008 est.) with a death rate of 3.85 deaths/1,000 population (2006 est.)! Apparently life expectancy is not bad and its 'yeeeaaaah good times' for the men, this being while "facing an army with stones". I think they are breeding like they could fight skynet, yet they are so cowardly they kill civilians instead.

Balls? You have got to be kidding. Spend a week in Gaza and tell me what balls you have left.

Your right all the conception might blow my testicles from over use. Maybe they should stop inseminating, maybe their balls would grow larger.

 

[S.A.M.]

yet they are so cowardly they kill civilians instead.

3 for 1300. Yeah right

And Israelis merely shoot at kids celebrating or peacefully demonstrating. But call them "militants" and its all kosher

 

[ElectricFetus]

3 for 1300. Yeah right

Do explain.

And Israelis merely shoot at kids celebrating or peacefully demonstrating. But call them "militants" and its all kosher

Why they claim is accidental and they were not trying to target civilians, unlike the Palestinians which say they are targeting civilians.

 

[S.A.M.]

Do explain..

So basically, the Palestinians should replace the rockets which they cannot aim (and which have killed 7 people in the last 5 years) with missiles they can drop on cities which have killed 5000 Palestinians over the last 5 years?

Why they claim is accidental and they were not trying to target civilians, unlike the Palestinians which say they are targeting civilians

So who were those soldiers in the video aiming at?

 

[fedr808]

Then give them the proper arms. So they can fight back the way you think is right. When they got rockets, they stopped blowing themselves up. Whats it been two years since the last suicide bomber? Maybe this is an invesment opportunity for the US. Expand the arms trade. Give equal weaponry to both sides. I bet you'll see more conventional warfare. Who knows, maybe if its 3000 Israelis for every 1000 Palestinians, instead of the current 3, they may also get motivated to move towards a peace agreement.

The US doesnt sell weaponry towards terrorists fighting it's allies.

Also, the Palestinians cant even fire an ak 47 accurately, what makes you think they will have better luck with an mlrs?

 

[fedr808]

So basically, the Palestinians should replace the rockets which they cannot aim (and which have killed 7 people in the last 5 years) with missiles they can drop on cities which have killed 5000 Palestinians over the last 5 years?



So who were those soldiers in the video aiming at?

SAM, the Israeli's are not the USA.

They don't give "proportional responses" we give unproportional responses. We hurt you so bad that you know that if you ever, ever try any of that bullshit, youll be drinking beef out of a straw.

You kill a soldier, we blow up your factory, you fire an rpg at a checkpoint, we blow up a bridge.

We kick you while your down so that you know that if you ever try it again, you will be dead.

Right now the Palestinians may hate Israel, but it's only a matter of time when they start hating their own government.

Proportional responses don't work and you know it.

If some poor children must died before you arrogant thick headed killers figure it out that shooting ak's and rpg's isnt such a bright idea, than it's not our fault, because you are the cause, we are merely the effect.

 

[S.A.M.]

Right now the Palestinians may hate Israel, but it's only a matter of time when they start hating their own government.

Are Israelis really that stupid?

 

[ElectricFetus]

So basically, the Palestinians should replace the rockets which they cannot aim (and which have killed 7 people in the last 5 years) with missiles they can drop on cities which have killed 5000 Palestinians over the last 5 years?

I don't know what kind of missiles your speaking of, but the rockets they use terrorize the israelis even if they are ineffective, and that terrorization feeds the oppression.

So who were those soldiers in the video aiming at?

Suspected terrorist? You think child can't fire a gun or be strapped with bombs? Maybe their just corrupt soldiers? If so they may be embarrassing for israeli but they do not suggest a general policy. If the Israelis were intentionally targeting Palestinians civilians they would have wiped them out by now or at the least the Palestinians would have a death rate much higher then 3.85 deaths/1,000 population per year.

Are Israelis really that stupid?

When people are scare they run like crazy, collapse into insane panic or they fight like wolverines, the Israelis have choose the latter, the palestines seem to have chosen the middle one, were they just sit there and take it will a few of them fight like possums, ak like foolish little shits.

 

[S.A.M.]

I don't know what kind of missiles your speaking of, but the rockets they use terrorize the israelis even if they are ineffective, and that terrorization feeds the oppression.

So the ineffectual rockets which rarely kill the Israelis stealing the land and living off it, force them to kill the Palestinians they have locked up and are starving? Hilarious.

Suspected terrorist? You think child can't fire a gun or be strapped with bombs? Maybe their just corrupt soldiers? If so they may be embarrassing for israeli but they do not suggest a general policy. If the Israelis were intentionally targeting Palestinians civilians they would have wiped them out by now or at the least the Palestinians would have a death rate much higher then 3.85 deaths/1,000 population per year.

So who were they aiming at in the videos?

Note that Btselem has given cameras to the Palestinians specifically to record this. Also note that Israel likes to play the martyr and victim, which apparently [and amazingly] works with Americans. Killing a shitload of Palestinians is only okay if they can get away with it.

When people are scare they run like crazy, collapse into insane panic or they fight like wolverines, the Israelis have choose the latter, the palestines seem to have chosen the middle one, were they just sit there and take it will a few of them fight like possums, ak like foolish little shits.

Not surprising. Jews have a history of running away when the going gets tough, they will only fight unarmed and starved people, they even make sure they bombard them with artillery going in just in case they throw a stone or something

Palestinians have outlasted the Romans, the Crusades, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the colonials and will still be there when the Israelis leave.

 

[fedr808]

So the ineffectual rockets which rarely kill the Israelis stealing the land and living off it, force them to kill the Palestinians they have locked up and are starving? Hilarious.

So who were they aiming at in the videos?

Note that Btselem has given cameras to the Palestinians specifically to record this. Also note that Israel likes to play the martyr and victim, which apparently [and amazingly] works with Americans. Killing a shitload of Palestinians is only okay if they can get away with it.



Not surprising. Jews have a history of running away when the going gets tough, they will only fight unarmed and starved people, they even make sure they bombard them with artillery going in just in case they throw a stone or something

Palestinians have outlasted the Romans, the Crusades, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the colonials and will still be there when the Israelis leave.

Okay lets be honest.

Before the Jews came Israel was crap.

It was one big desert, no one could tame it, or atleast the arabs couldn't, there was desert, desert, and more desert. The Jews conquered it and made it into what it is, an oasis in the desert.

There were no grand cities, no roads, no culture, no nothing until the Jews came. No one even wanted it. There was no oil.

So the Jews came, and in 60 years transformed it from a cesspool into a modern wonder, cities of steel and glass, a unified government, no more nomads, here came civilization.

And now the lazy Palestinians whom did nothing to help and allowed Israel to turn into a desert 1900 years ago are saying "the Jews didn't do anything, we made it all" They steal credit.

The land in Israel was worthless until the Jews came and turned it around.

They never locked up the Palestinians, the Palestinians bitched like little babies and toddlers until they got the gaza strip and west bank. They demanded their own soverign nation, they got it.

and look what happened without the Jews there.

It's turning back into the cesspool it once was. The Palestinians don't bother farming, they demand armies, they have no ports or airports to do business, they build caves to get weapons.
And the desert is retaking Gaza and the west bank is next

Gaza and the west bank are soverign nations, Israel is not required to give them any food or any water Israel is only required to keep them on their side of the border.

And since Gaza and the West Bank are soverign nations, their firing rockets is an act of war. and war is what they got.
The little babies threw rocks without knowing Israel would throw boulders.
And now they are whining that they don't have enough strength to lift a boulder.

Gaza can make farms and port and airports if they like, but the fact is THEY DONT, theres a difference between them making these things and Israel bombing them, or not even trying to at all.

And they haven't

Have you never heard of propoganda SAM?
Thjey just dress up people into those outfits and just make fake films of it.
Do you know that it would cost me about 80 dollars to make a realistic film of some Palestinians beheading a woman? Ain't all that hard SAM.

Stop taking everything at face value, ask questions.


You give the Palestinians too much credit, they merely ran and hid in the caves the Israelites built when all those empires came. The Israelis fought back and were expelled, but atleast they tried

 

[Gustav]

heh
old km
still militant after all these years

 

[StrawDog]

And yet the Muslim leaders of the world say nothing against all the extremist violence, nor do they express condemnation of it. Why?

Of course they do. Moderate Muslim leaders and clerics condemn voilent acts all the time. Of course you would need to tune in to Arab and Muslim media to get the "other" side of the story.

And yet Muslims see similar "snippets" about US soldiers in Iraq, and conclude that all soldiers are similarly guilty of whatever acts were portrayed.

Unfortunately the Muslims are living with these atrocities and war on a daily basis. They have FIRST HAND experience of these and innumerable other abuses. I could point you to some reading if you are geniunely interested.

See? Muslims do exactly the same thing! Muslims cheering in the streets over some horrendous Muslim extremist violence is not some isolated example ....those films show thousands of Muslims cheering!

As I said, extremists are to be found everywhere. To demonize Muslims based on a couple of choice clips and spin is ludicrous.

Shalom

 

[S.A.M.]

All one has to do is visit Israel, like Murukami:

"Between a high, solid wall and an egg that breaks against it, I will always stand on the side of the egg."

Yes, no matter how right the wall may be and how wrong the egg, I will stand with the egg. Someone else will have to decide what is right and what is wrong; perhaps time or history will decide.

What is the meaning of this metaphor? In some cases, it is all too simple and clear. Bombers and tanks and rockets and white phosphorus shells are that high, solid wall. The eggs are the unarmed civilians who are crushed and burned and shot by them.

Murakami says he witnessed "an Israeli soldier [take] an entire family out of their car and beat up the father in front of his children." He also describes seeing the Separation Wall driving with an Israeli taxi driver, "I asked him what was the purpose of the security wall that runs along the highway. He replied that it was there in order to keep the animals from crossing the border." Murakami continues,

"Israel has adopted a policy that seals off the Palestinians inside the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, a policy that denies the refugees' right to return to their land in order to protect the interests of the Jewish people; this is unjust," Murakami writes.

While Murakami notes that "Israel isn't a tyrannical state and is founded on free speech," the encounters with Israelis he describes reflect a racist, militant and aggressive society.

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondowei...l-always-stand-on-the-side-of-the-e.html#more
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And thats all there is to it.

 

[StrawDog]

We aren't and never have been occupiers ...in all of American history.

Right. And the illegal invasion of Iraq is not occupation? No? What is it then?

 

[ElectricFetus]

So the ineffectual rockets which rarely kill the Israelis stealing the land and living off it, force them to kill the Palestinians they have locked up and are starving? Hilarious.

I would not say force them: the rockets are just part of the general terrorization of Israel in combination with the suicide bombings, abductions and decapitations, giving Israelis an excuse for further oppression of palestines... its not really funny at all.

Killing a shitload of Palestinians is only okay if they can get away with it.

Its not okay, but they do get away with it, because the palestinians allow and advocate the terrorizing of israel and legitimize there own oppression. I'm not saying its their fault rather I'm saying how they deal with it has only aggravated the problem. If all the Palestinians were to get up and run every checkpoint and all the settlements they could take over the west bank, sure they would suffer major casualties and would not fair well against Israel's invasive responses but that would only look bad on the israelis, really bad in fact, few would be able to deny the screams of genocide, israel would get all of their life supporting funds cut, a death sentence for a state without any resources and surround by enemies that want to rip out their hearts and eat them. Israel would be forced to negotiate against the Palestinians. But instead they take the oppression and responded with feeble terrorism that only legitimizes Israel's claims that it is all worth it for self defense.

Not surprising. Jews have a history of running away when the going gets tough

While we are at it jews also have a history of controlling the world with their 5 Jewish bankers, in space. I'm sure do remember all the jews getting out of germany, they sure saw that coming and didn't stay in place. And that is certainly why they all left Israel decades ago!... Excuse me I just had a sarcasm orgasm and need to clean up.

they will only fight unarmed and starved people

Starving people breeding like crazy, interesting impossible, perhaps malnutrition but not starving.

they even make sure they bombard them with artillery going in just in case they throw a stone or something

I would not equate blowing your self up in a shopping mall as "throwing a stone"

Palestinians have outlasted the Romans, the Crusades, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the colonials and will still be there when the Israelis leave.

So have the jews, and the small population of local jews who remained in palestines also suffer all the same exact events, really they are the same people, all that separates them is religion.

Right. And the illegal invasion of Iraq is not occupation? No? What is it then?

He probably say "bring democracy to the middle east" or some other denial of reality.

 

[StrawDog]

What about people who live in Israel, people who were born there?

That is the tide of history. Relentless. And for that reason, sanity must prevail and dialogue to peace must begin.

 

[StrawDog]

Where is you sense of decency, SAM? Why do you continue to support people who blow up whole marketplaces, killing dozens of innocent people and kids, in some idiotic idea of maybe getting one off-duty soldier????

Decency? Correct. I do not support the IDF for the vast disproportionate collateral (alleged) damage of civilians in Gaza.

 

[Gustav]

SAM, the Israeli's are not the USA.

They don't give "proportional responses" we give unproportional responses. We hurt you so bad that you know that if you ever, ever try any of that bullshit, youll be drinking beef out of a straw.

You kill a soldier, we blow up your factory, you fire an rpg at a checkpoint, we blow up a bridge.

We kick you while your down so that you know that if you ever try it again, you will be dead.

Right now the Palestinians may hate Israel, but it's only a matter of time when they start hating their own government.

Proportional responses don't work and you know it.

If some poor children must died before you arrogant thick headed killers figure it out that shooting ak's and rpg's isnt such a bright idea, than it's not our fault, because you are the cause, we are merely the effect.

"This wasteful governing by fear, by contempt for the basic dignities of life, this steady asphyxiation of a dependent people, should be the very last means to be adopted by those who themselves know too well the awful significance, the unforgettable suffering of such an existence. It is unworthy of my great people, the Jews, who have striven to abide by a code of moral rectitude for some 5,000 years, who can create and achieve a society for themselves such as we see around us but can yet deny the sharing of its great qualities and benefits to those dwelling amongst them. (Yehudi Menuhin)

the noble jewish resistance to the zionist devils