Is there a medium "in space", a medium "of space", neither, or both?

Bohm explanded on de Broglie wave mechanics.

Both Einstein and de Broglie were not fans of Bohmian mechanics which is what de Broglie-Bohm pilot-wave theory is.

It's so much deeper than that... and actually today the Bohmian interpretation seems to fit most parameters in physics. For instance, the Wheeler de Witt equation predicts that our universe is static. If that is true, then there are doorways to a determinism about the dynamics of the systems that appear to change in the universe. The Bohmian interpretation is based also on a wave function of the universe: the Einstein field equations when quantized lead to timelessness... this also uses a wave function of the universe. The Bohmnan interpretation would need to be a timeless theory.
 
It's so much deeper than that... and actually today the Bohmian interpretation seems to fit most parameters in physics. For instance, the Wheeler de Witt equation predicts that our universe is static. If that is true, then there are doorways to a determinism about the dynamics of the systems that appear to change in the universe. The Bohmian interpretation is based also on a wave function of the universe: the Einstein field equations when quantized lead to timelessness... this also uses a wave function of the universe. The Bohmnan interpretation would need to be a timeless theory.

Reading this back... it's a bit deceiving.


''static in time'' I should have said. Our universe, is not ''static in change.''
 
There are many models in physics which attempts to explain it.


Which one did you have in mind sir?

The correct one.

When a downconverted photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, they are created with opposite angular momentum.

As they are propagating with opposite polarization, they can determine their partner’s location and momentum based upon their own.

They are not physically or superlumanally connected.

They are entangled as they can determine each other’s state.
 
The correct one.

When a downconverted photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, they are created with opposite angular momentum.

But they aren't... the only way they could be created with opposite angular momentum, is if the system described by it's wave function was determined some how? Surely that isn't what you are saying?

Because when two systems are created, whether entangled in macroscopic system, or created from a single source, their spin is undetermined until their wave functions collapse. How they collapse appears completely random. My argument has been that it is not random. There is something more fundamental to the vacuum.
 
Ok, but that still isn't telling us how two systems are entangled, say, at a theoretically-random distance... of say $$10^{10}ly$$, where $$ly$$ denotes lightyears, could instantaneously reflect each other in a symmetry due to a collapse in their wave functions?

It's not so easy to escape the idea of hidden variables, especially when we are faced with a scenario which quantum physics so far fails to find a mechanical reason for it. It's almost akin to how maybe classical physicists felt when they where faced with quantum mechanics itself?
I am arguing in favor of hidden variables. Why does it seem you take my arguments to be against?

Perhaps you will also take a moment and respond to the question in the OP, for the reason stated earlier.
 
It's so much deeper than that... and actually today the Bohmian interpretation seems to fit most parameters in physics. For instance, the Wheeler de Witt equation predicts that our universe is static. If that is true, then there are doorways to a determinism about the dynamics of the systems that appear to change in the universe. The Bohmian interpretation is based also on a wave function of the universe: the Einstein field equations when quantized lead to timelessness... this also uses a wave function of the universe. The Bohmnan interpretation would need to be a timeless theory.

Our Universe is a larger version of a black hole polar jet.

It's not this:

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It's this:

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The "wave function of the universe" is what is incorrect about the Bohmian interpretation.

You need to go back to de Broglie to correctly understand what occurs physically in nature.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'

http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium”

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The “energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.

"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant, forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."

A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit destroys the cohesion between the particle and its associated wave in the aether and the particle continues on the trajectory it was traveling.

In a boat double slit experiment the boat always travels through a single slit and the bow wave passes through both.

The boat travels through a single slit and the bow wave passes through both whether you detect the boat or not.

The bow wave is the boat's water displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle always travels through a single slit and the associated aether displacement wave passes through both.

The particle travels through a single slit and the associated aether displacement wave passes through both whether you detect the particle or not.

'New 'Double Slit' Experiment Skirts Uncertainty Principle'

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-slit-experiment-skirts-uncertainty-principle

"Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits."

'Team 'sneaks around' quantum rule'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13626587

"For his part, Professor Steinberg believes that the result reduces a limitation not on quantum physics but on physicists themselves. "I feel like we're starting to pull back a veil on what nature really is," he said. "The trouble with quantum mechanics is that while we've learned to calculate the outcomes of all sorts of experiments, we've lost much of our ability to describe what is really happening in any natural language. I think that this has really hampered our ability to make progress, to come up with new ideas and see intuitively how new systems ought to behave."

Seeing intuitively how a double slit experiment behaves is understanding the particle always travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

"The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

Matter, a piece of window glass and stuff have mass.

In a double slit experiment it is the stuff which waves.
 
But they aren't... the only way they could be created with opposite angular momentum, is if the system described by it's wave function was determined some how? Surely that isn't what you are saying?

Because when two systems are created, whether entangled in macroscopic system, or created from a single source, their spin is undetermined until their wave functions collapse. How they collapse appears completely random. My argument has been that it is not random. There is something more fundamental to the vacuum.

If they aren't created with opposite angular momentums then they void conservation of momentum.
 
Our Universe is a larger version of a black hole polar jet.

It's not this:

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It's this:

main-qimg-1ff569569794b13b68b73e6ed8a51ab8
The evolution of the universe over time is very much like pulling away from a black hole. This is one reason why I think the nature of black holes is very important.

But I have to say I don't think our universe is literally a black hole polar jet.
 
Is there a medium in space, a medium of space, neither, or both''



I'll answer this question wave. I believe there is both, there is a medium in space, which is the vacuum itself which is non-local, probably meaning that information can quantum tunnel large distances. I think this is the solution because matter can entangle to space. If this is the case, the information entangled to space is non-local by nature and can quantum tunnel infinitely large distances, depending on it's potential energy.
 
If they aren't created with opposite angular momentums then they void conservation of momentum.


There is always a conservation of angular momentum, this is why when two entangled particles are created, which haven't had their wave function disturbed, both exhibit a superpositioning of polarized states. It isn't until someone comes and measures it, or it naturally happens through decoherence, that a spin is determined. When this happens for one of the systems, the other system immediately responds in the opposite orientation.
 
The evolution of the universe over time is very much like pulling away from a black hole. This is one reason why I think the nature of black holes is very important.

But I have to say I don't think our universe is literally a black hole polar jet.

There is no evidence of a Universal black hole. That doesn't mean there is, or isn't, a Universal black hole, just that there is no evidence of it.

The big takeaway is understanding it's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.
 
There is always a conservation of angular momentum, this is why when two entangled particles are created, which haven't had their wave function disturbed, both exhibit a superpositioning of polarized states. It isn't until someone comes and measures it, or it naturally happens through decoherence, that a spin is determined. When this happens for one of the systems, the other system immediately responds in the opposite orientation.

It doesn't respond. Due to conservation of momentum it was going to be detected with that spin regardless if the spin of its pair had been detected or not.
 
It doesn't respond. Due to conservation of momentum it was going to be detected with that spin regardless if the spin of its pair had been detected or not.

It doesn't work like that. Quantum mechanics cannot in any way describe it in any mechanical sense of the matter. This is why it was called ''spooky action at a distance,''... because no one knew how it happened. What is being proposed is that there must be something more fundamental at work.
 
It doesn't work like that. Quantum mechanics cannot in any way describe it in any mechanical sense of the matter. This is why it was called ''spooky action at a distance,''... because no one knew how it happened. What is being proposed is that there must be something more fundamental at work.

I'm describing what is occurring in classical mechanics.

When a downconverted photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, they are created with opposite angular momentum.

As they are propagating with opposite polarization, they can determine their partner’s location and momentum based upon their own.

They are not physically or superlumanally connected.

They are entangled as they can determine each other’s state.
 
I'm describing what is occurring in classical mechanics.

When a downconverted photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, they are created with opposite angular momentum.

As they are propagating with opposite polarization, they can determine their partner’s location and momentum based upon their own.

They are not physically or superlumanally connected.

They are entangled as they can determine each other’s state.



Yes but how? I don't actually know your thought-experiment off-hand, but I see no mechanism. If there is something ''based'' upon them, what is it? And how is it determined over extremely large distances?
 
Yes but how? I don't actually know your thought-experiment off-hand, but I see no mechanism. If there is something ''based'' upon them, what is it? And how is it determined over extremely large distances?

The pair are created with opposite angular momentums. Meaning they are exact opposites. It doesn't matter how far apart they are. They will always be detected with opposite spins. And since they are propagating with opposite angular momentums the mathematical wave-function of quantum mechanics applies.

This is why de Broglie's has a double solution theory. One wave is physical and describes the interaction between the particle and its physical wave. The other wave describes the wave function. de Broglie's double solution theory is both classical and quantum.

The following describes what is occurring classically.

When a downconverted photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, they are created with opposite angular momentum.

As they are propagating with opposite polarization, they can determine their partner’s location and momentum based upon their own.

They are not physically or superlumanally connected.

They are entangled as they can determine each other’s state.

Nothing is determined over large distances. They are going to be detected with the spins they are because they are propagating with opposite angular momentums. Nothing is hidden as there are no such things as hidden-variables.
 
I'll answer this question wave. I believe there is both, there is a medium in space, which is the vacuum itself which is non-local, probably meaning that information can quantum tunnel large distances. I think this is the solution because matter can entangle to space. If this is the case, the information entangled to space is non-local by nature and can quantum tunnel infinitely large distances, depending on it's potential energy.
Thank you for that. I'll address that post and the rest of today's posts later, but I do find it very interesting so far. Thanks for the great participation, and great attitudes.
 
Our Universe is a larger version of a black hole polar jet.

It's not this:

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It's this:

main-qimg-1ff569569794b13b68b73e6ed8a51ab8


...

The evolution of the universe over time is very much like pulling away from a black hole. This is one reason why I think the nature of black holes is very important.

But I have to say I don't think our universe is literally a black hole polar jet.

Cav, that is one significant difference in our individual models, your model and my hobby-model. Do your jets simply serve to recycle the medium back into the black hole, and then the aether gets jetted out again in an perpetual steady state? Just so I understand the parameters, that would mean you are modeling a finite universe with one steady state "black hole with polar jets", right.
 
Cav, that is one significant difference in our individual models, your model and my hobby-model. Do your jets simply serve to recycle the medium back into the black hole, and then the aether gets jetted out again in an perpetual steady state? Just so I understand the parameters, that would mean you are modeling a finite universe with one steady state "black hole with polar jets", right.

I don't know if this is the first time we have been emitted into the Universal jet or the trillionth time. I don't know if it's cyclical or if stuff emitted into the Universal jet continues on forever away from the Universal jet emission point.

I don't know if our Universal jet is all that there is or if we are in a sea of Universal jets analogous to all of the black hole polar jets we see in our Universe.

I do think there is something to the Rindler horizon (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/UHS_geodesics.png), however, this is pure speculation.

What is not pure speculation is understanding our Universe is an ongoing process.

'Cosmic microwave background'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic..._radiation#Low_multipoles_and_other_anomalies

"With the increasingly precise data provided by WMAP, there have been a number of claims that the CMB exhibits anomalies, such as very large scale anisotropies, anomalous alignments, and non-Gaussian distributions. ... A number of groups have suggested that this could be the signature of new physics at the greatest observable scales"

The new physics is understanding our Universe is a larger version of a polar jet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_jet).

'Cosmos may be curved, scientists say'
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/12/cosmos-may-be-curved-scientists-say/?intcmp=features

"Now cosmologists suggest these anomalies occur because the universe is not flat. Instead, these researchers propose the universe may be ever so slightly "open," curved in such a way that parallel lines, which never converge or diverge when traveling on a flat surface, will eventually diverge from one another, like on a saddle."

Our Universe is open because it is a larger version of a polar jet.

'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688

"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis"

Our Universe spins around a preferred axis because it is a larger version of a polar jet.

'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html

"The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said."

The clusters are headed along this path because our Universe is a larger version of a polar jet.

Our Universe is an ongoing process.

It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.

Dark energy is the evaporated matter (i.e. aether) which is continually being emitted into the Universal jet.
 
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