is it possible that Moses was Epyption Pharaoh?

[river]

there are theories that , suggest that , this is possible

comments ,ideas , understandings

lets not get over the top with imaginative ideas

lets try to base any theory , on what we know , now

to delive into the History of Egyptians for a start

and it is just a start

 

[Me-Ki-Gal]

I think so my self . I think it had something to do with Akhenaten Monotheism and a split in Ideology of Egypt. It all came to a head in the Moses story of Exodus . They say Moses wrote the first 4 books of the Bible . I don't know if you ever heard that before . Then there is Bithiah . She was Pharaohs Daughter. She was also the Daughter of God . You figure that one out . Jewish Mystics say she was Moses Mother ( Foster Mom if you want to believe that ) I think she was his Mother my self and was dinking around with one of the mercenaries that latter became Hebrews . Got pregnant and devised this plan to save her little bastard son . I think it was not lawful for royalty to Marry Mercenaries even back in Pharaohs day Kingship would marry Kingship to keep the peace between Ruling tribes . Like the Mittani Peoples Princesses Marrying into the Pharaohs .

Yeah I think so . Something might have happened to exile Him and he could have just been half royal blood line and Half Hebrew . Or like they say All Hebrew and just raised in Pharaohs court . What is funny to Me is Bithiah went with Moses and the Israelites . They gave her the name " The Daughter of God . There is also a town in Israel with a similar name as Bithiah and Even King David down to Jesus would go to that town for spiritual guidance . Could that be remnants of Bithiah's Family line ? Don't know but there is a mystery there . The story is not complete as presented in the King James Bible . Them self serving Bastards left a bunch of books out you know. The cannonball version that is . Blow em up Bible

 

[river]

I think so my self . I think it had something to do with Akhenaten Monotheism and a split in Ideology of Egypt. It all came to a head in the Moses story of Exodus . They say Moses wrote the first 4 books of the Bible . I don't know if you ever heard that before . Then there is Bithiah . She was Pharaohs Daughter. She was also the Daughter of God . You figure that one out . Jewish Mystics say she was Moses Mother ( Foster Mom if you want to believe that ) I think she was his Mother my self and was dinking around with one of the mercenaries that latter became Hebrews . Got pregnant and devised this plan to save her little bastard son . I think it was not lawful for royalty to Marry Mercenaries even back in Pharaohs day Kingship would marry Kingship to keep the peace between Ruling tribes . Like the Mittani Peoples Princesses Marrying into the Pharaohs .

Yeah I think so . Something might have happened to exile Him and he could have just been half royal blood line and Half Hebrew . Or like they say All Hebrew and just raised in Pharaohs court . What is funny to Me is Bithiah went with Moses and the Israelites . They gave her the name " The Daughter of God . There is also a town in Israel with a similar name as Bithiah and Even King David down to Jesus would go to that town for spiritual guidance . Could that be remnants of Bithiah's Family line ? Don't know but there is a mystery there . The story is not complete as presented in the King James Bible . Them self serving Bastards left a bunch of books out you know. The cannonball version that is . Blow em up Bible

what are you trying to say , for those of us not in the know ?

 

[Me-Ki-Gal]

I am saying that when Joseph brought the family to Egypt they intertwined with the Egyptians of the day . As Spidey would say they fucked there women just like Americans did the French Girls in World War 2 . How long was they in Egypt ? How long did the blood lines mix ? Joseph found favor in pharaohs court . There was a split some were and Akenatens Monotheism he got form the Mittani Bride took hold . I seen some stuff that said there was evidence of Mittani having a Monotheism religion of there own . Little is known about that tribe of peoples so it could all be speculation . I didn't make it up though . Some one else did .

Wow I did a little checking on Wikipedia. The Qur"an says Bithiah is Asiya the wife of Pharaoh . The story ties in nicely with Me Great house of paradise thing and Building the temple . The wings of the sanctuary and all that . Man A live freaky .

It says That Asiya was built a Mansion in Paradise to escape the wrath of Pharaoh . She is the example given by Mohammad of the way a Muslim should be . Wow A woman . Am I missing something ? I got to go look at that again

 

[Arioch]

And then there are those of us who think that, and there's much to back this up, Moses never actually existed and that he's nothing more than a fictional character.

 

[nietzschefan]

And then there are those of us who think that, and there's much to back this up, Moses never actually existed and that he's nothing more than a fictional character.

Except Yehoshua certainly existed and inherited Moses' stuff.

 

[Arioch]

Mere speculation. There's no way of verifying that.

 

[Me-Ki-Gal]

How bout this Pharaoh . Could legends of this guy been the seeds of Moses .
Thutmose. He had big campaigns killing and pillaging the promise land .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/thutmose_III

 

[S.A.M.]

there are theories that , suggest that , this is possible

comments ,ideas , understandings

lets not get over the top with imaginative ideas

lets try to base any theory , on what we know , now

to delive into the History of Egyptians for a start

and it is just a start

No I don't think so. I've read the theories about moses being equal to son of in the Egyptian language but the single most convincing argument against an Egyptian Moses is that he does not exist in Egyptian myth and Egyptians have been tapping out the tales of their rulers for too many years to ignore this omission. Its more likely that Moses is a plagiarised version of the tale of the Babylonian myth about Sargon.

Cuneiform texts have this to say of King Sargon, the founder of Semitic dynasty of Akkad. In 2360 B.C.: I am Sargon, the powerful king, the king of Akkad. My mother was an Enitu priestees, I did not know any father . . . . My mother conceived me and bore me in secret. She put me in a little box made of reeds, sealing its lid with pitch. She put me in the river. . . . The river carried me away and brought me to Akki the drawer of water. Akki the drawer of water adopted me and brought me up as his son. . .

The basket-story is a very old Semitic folk-tale. It was handed down by word of mouth for many centuries. The Sargon legend of the third millennium B.C. is found on Neo-Babylonian cuneiform tablets of the first millennium B.C. It is nothing more than the frills with which prosperity has always loved to ado0rn the lives of great men. Who would dream of doubting the historicity of the Emperor Barbarossa, simply because he is said to be still sleeping under Kyffhauser?

Werner Keller, The Bible as History, 2nd revised Ed. Morrow & Co, NY, page 123.

 

[arauca]

And then there are those of us who think that, and there's much to back this up, Moses never actually existed and that he's nothing more than a fictional character.

For you no one existed , do you exist , You know every thing , let other people express their view .

 

[arauca]

Mere speculation. There's no way of verifying that.

Have you checked the library of Alexandria ?

 

[Arioch]

@arauca --

For you no one existed , do you exist ,

Glib, nice, I like it. However you're completely off base.

Is the myth of the Exodus based on something that actually happened? Perhaps, I really don't know, but we do know that it didn't actually happen and that, outside of the bible, there's absolutely no reliable record that anyone resembling Moses(from the story) ever existed.

Here's what we do know. We know that there was no concentration of Hebrew slaves in Egypt. We know that there was no mass exodus of anyone, Hebrew or not, from Egypt. We know that there was no grand chase involving any army. We know that there are no extra-biblical sources for the existence of a man named Moses.

Given all of these things, which is the safe bet to take?

You know every thing ,

I never said that, I just said that the whole reasoning for believing that anything in the OT actually happened is bull. There's no supporting evidence and all we have is a bunch of poorly constructed stories. Where in this do you find the claim that I think that I know everything? Oh, that's right, you pulled it out of some orifice somewhere.

let other people express their view .

I have, quite diligently I might add. I've done nothing to stymie or impede people from expressing their views. Criticizing their views is not censorship. In fact, if you want to go that route, then I will be quick to remind you that all I'm doing here is expressing my views.

Have you checked the library of Alexandria ?

Oh, you mean that library which was destroyed? Yeah, kind of makes it difficult to check.

 

[Itseemstome]

M s s

It seems probable, assuming he existed. The languages around that part of the world didn't have vowels and, apparently, mss or m's's was 'son of'. Hence moses is 'son of' just as Rmss (Rameses) was son of the sun and Thutmosis was son of the moon.

Furthermore, since all the mummies of Pharoahs seem to contain many halucinogenic substances, the story of the burning bush would seem to suggest that he also had access to them.

It would seem that the pharoahs were the 'medicine men' or 'shamans' of their day. Since they lasted for some thousands of years it would further seem that they might have been on to something!

 

[Medicine*Woman]

@arauca --

Glib, nice, I like it. However you're completely off base.

Is the myth of the Exodus based on something that actually happened? Perhaps, I really don't know, but we do know that it didn't actually happen and that, outside of the bible, there's absolutely no reliable record that anyone resembling Moses(from the story) ever existed.

Here's what we do know. We know that there was no concentration of Hebrew slaves in Egypt. We know that there was no mass exodus of anyone, Hebrew or not, from Egypt. We know that there was no grand chase involving any army. We know that there are no extra-biblical sources for the existence of a man named Moses.

Given all of these things, which is the safe bet to take?

I never said that, I just said that the whole reasoning for believing that anything in the OT actually happened is bull. There's no supporting evidence and all we have is a bunch of poorly constructed stories. Where in this do you find the claim that I think that I know everything? Oh, that's right, you pulled it out of some orifice somewhere.

I have, quite diligently I might add. I've done nothing to stymie or impede people from expressing their views. Criticizing their views is not censorship. In fact, if you want to go that route, then I will be quick to remind you that all I'm doing here is expressing my views.

Oh, you mean that library which was destroyed? Yeah, kind of makes it difficult to check.

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M*W: I have read and confirm what you say to be true. Have you ever read any Ahmed Osman? He researched the Eighteenth Dynasty and has written several books on this subject. The "Moses" of the Pentateuch had several different names. His birth name was Aminadab. He may or may not have existed. I believe he did exist and was the son of Pharaoh Tuthmose III or IV, I forget which. He was known as Akhenaten. The Exodus didn't happen, at least not within the Eighteenth Dynasty. "Moses" means something like "taken from the water." It's a title. The whole myth of Moses may have been plagarized from the story of Sargon. At any rate, most of the bible stories were taken from earlier myths. Pharaohs believed themselves to be gods. Akhenaten was a sun worshipper. The Hebrews came out of the tribe of poor shepherds known in Egypt as the Habiru. They weren't "slaves" technically. They were shepherders and that was a lowly trade. They "wandered" in the desert (Sinai), because that is what they did. They wandered throughout their lives. Moses however didn't write the Pentateuch. It has been studied for years by biblical scholars and archeologists and has been proven to be false. It's a subject I love to read about.

 

[Me-Ki-Gal]

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M*W: I have read and confirm what you say to be true. Have you ever read any Ahmed Osman? He researched the Eighteenth Dynasty and has written several books on this subject. The "Moses" of the Pentateuch had several different names. His birth name was Aminadab. He may or may not have existed. I believe he did exist and was the son of Pharaoh Tuthmose III or IV, I forget which. He was known as Akhenaten. The Exodus didn't happen, at least not within the Eighteenth Dynasty. "Moses" means something like "taken from the water." It's a title. The whole myth of Moses may have been plagarized from the story of Sargon. At any rate, most of the bible stories were taken from earlier myths. Pharaohs believed themselves to be gods. Akhenaten was a sun worshipper. The Hebrews came out of the tribe of poor shepherds known in Egypt as the Habiru. They weren't "slaves" technically. They were shepherders and that was a lowly trade. They "wandered" in the desert (Sinai), because that is what they did. They wandered throughout their lives. Moses however didn't write the Pentateuch. It has been studied for years by biblical scholars and archeologists and has been proven to be false. It's a subject I love to read about.

That is pretty good stuff there Medicine Woman . Now the way I heard it was that Bithiah was Akhenatens great great great grand daughter. Yet it is still the same place the one god was pasted down from . Except I think Akhenaten got it from his Mittani bride . Speculation of course