Indeed, I quite agree with Max here. I vaguely remember there was some kind of korean war where american soldiers were put against north korean soldiers. And there was some kind of contest going on.
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Indeed, I quite agree with Max here. I vaguely remember there was some kind of korean war where american soldiers were put against north korean soldiers. And there was some kind of contest going on.
I vaguely recall history of the Korean War as ...a few thousand American soldiers against about ten gazillion North Korea and Chinese soldiers. I think the Americans ran out of bullets while the NK and Chinese just kept climbing over the dead bodies and continuing to attack.
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A duck shoot can be a contest. Or should I have said clay pigeon shoot?
Anyway...they managed to shoot back apparently. Once in a while.
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Lololololol!!!! Keep believing whatever you want, the average american soldier is crap compared to them. And I mean absofukinglutely!
The korean war? you were better fed, coddled, better equipment etc therefore you had an advantage.
Nope, Rome failed when she allowed so many non-Romans into her great nation, and didn't force a change in their ways of thinking. Immigrants crushed Rome from the inside. (They were probably Muslims in disquise!)
Disagree. Assimilation is a two way street. One is more likely to assimilate where one is accepted and more likely to segregate where one is not. Its not rocket science.
So they boast about their military? Really? Not about their artistic and intellectual accomplishments? Or their philosophy? Genghis Khan is more popular than Tao and Confucius?
With never one tiny little bit of internal conflict and/or racial/cultural conflict? In all of her history? How wonderful to be the only nation on Earth to have accomplished such grandeur on such a major scale.
India has never been without conflict, political, cultural, caste, social, religious, ethnic. You name it, we've had it. And we've discussed it, debated it, examined it for social worth and moved on. We keep having resurgences and we reopen dialogues and reexamine our values.
Its good to have open debate. Its also good to remember to respect the fact that having a different opinion does not necessarily mean having a wrong opinion. The question to be asked is, what is better for the country in the long run and go on from there. And accept it when you disagree because the country is more important than you.
There have been many Hindu fundamentalists in recent times who have worried about Hindu values being submerged. I believe such people are incredibly short sighted. They fail to realise that they are not Hindu values, but Indian values because even Christians, Jews Muslims, Buddhists and Sikhs from India have them. They are in no danger of going anywhere.
Witness how the country's economic progress is bringing back those who left for foreign shores for a better life (which is truly a minuscule percentage, India is largely a young population). More Indians today choose to return home after a foreign education. This number can only increase in the future. In the end, money is not everything.
http://apostille.us/news/indian_students_studying_abroad_head_back_home.shtml
And its not just Indians either!
You cannot dilute a culture. Clinging to notions that are exclusive rather than inclusive is a sure fire way to extinction. It makes the other more exotic and attractive by comparison and leads to a rebound effect of exciting the same response in the other. A vicious circle of conflict that disintegrates the society.
Focusing on inclusive aspects of a culture actually makes a foreign culture less attractive simply by making it commonplace and any differences are then associated with a cultural identity rather than a national one. Its simple. Adapt or perish.
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Nope, Rome failed when she allowed so many non-Romans into her great nation, and didn't force a change in their ways of thinking. Immigrants crushed Rome from the inside. (They were probably Muslims in disquise!
But that's not what China says! In fact, quite the opposite ...China is overly proud of her great and wonderous heritage, and does everything possible to maintain that general view and outlook.
With never one tiny little bit of internal conflict and/or racial/cultural conflict? In all of her history? How wonderful to be the only nation on Earth to have accomplished such grandeur on such a major scale.
Yep, I agree. And what we've done as a society in America is to dilute our culture, our shared values, to the point of having virtually no shared identity or values. And worse, of course, is that we've taken in peoples of other cultures and other values who have done nothing but cause major conflicts ...yet our own idiotic laws protect the very ones who are fuckin' up our once great, shared identity and culture.
Baron Max
You are the ones who singlehandedly fuked up your own nation. You seem to think you can have your cake and eat it too which is idiotic. Your 'once great, shared identity and culture' was built on the backs of immigrant labor and contribution. If you didn't want to include them you should have done all the fuking work yourselves. Your problem is you wanted to claim the title of the proverbial citizen of the world but you were too prejudiced to pull it off or even understand what that entails. Heck, even canada exceeds or is better at it than you. For a country that claims to be a melting pot and all men are created equal, it is flagrantly, despicably prejudiced. I don't see national foreign holidays being acknowledged. I see nothing that even hints of true multiculturalism. Foreigners must open their own ethnic grocery stores or assimilate, which simply means disembracing who they are. Everything is specified in favor of the white race. Every freaking thing even with the myriad of different nationalities. No one is coming up to you speaking another language or pushing their culture onto YOU! They must adapt to your vaguely nazi culture. The only fuking reason that there seems to be more representation of foreigners now is because you have to, there is too many now. Your starting to see it a little more in hollywood, but just a freaking little. Your so blinded by your own disgusting hypocrisy and self-centeredness you never saw it all along. America is not fuking multicultural because americans do not truly embrace or respect other cultures!!!!!!!!!
What idiots, the blacks you brought over here and the hispanics are jumping the border. What the fuk do you expect? They think california belongs to them, lol. But then again, your own people are so used to taking advantage of other labor pools, you don't want your precious americans to have to clean toilets,do you? LOL, i don't understand your complaint. And you blame foreigners, what foreigners? Indians? Asians? even arabs? What the fuk have they done to mess up your country? NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH. RACIST, LYING, EGOTISTICAL, PASS THE BUCK PRICKS. Because your straight up prejudiced, thats why you'll blame anybody and everybody. Even foreigners who haven't caused problems while you ignore the damage your own people or race does to your country because they are ignorant racist bastards who don't have the maturity to deal with foreigners!! Its a two-way street dummy. You are pathetic!!!
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Then why do people so want to move to the U.S.?
Why did your ancestors move to the U.S.? People who have problems or looking for opportunity. They may believe all the hype or some of it and can make money once they get here. They have to endure prejudice and other forms of discrimination but thats par for the course. They endure and make the best of it if they choose to stay.
I've been reading all these posts, and I think you nailed it here, except for some blunders. Yes, everywhere you go people and cultures are segregated. Americans like Barox think they can have their cake and have it. They complain about immigration but America is a free market, cheap labor and opportunities are the real culprit of immigration. You can't have a free market and not accept immigration of cultures, goods, and services. You will be hard pressed to find a more free market in the world. The country(or idea) was built by people from the world over, it was too big to be built by a certain group of people, its a country the size of the entire Northern half of Africa or all of Europe. Everybody built America, Chinese, Blacks, Hisanics, you name it. Rome fell because its ambition no longer matched realistic potential. George Soros wrote about this. At a point Rome was so wide spread that certain Emperors did not know what the other was doing, and when you have something big enough like that...its amatter of time before divisions in ideas manifest. My guess is Rome was operating at a loss, coupled with relentless civil unrest and socio-cultural redirection, they couldn't handle it. Unlike Rome, Godlessness and immorality killed the Greeks. Another group of people that fell the same way as the Romans were Britainians. Britain was delusional and destined to fall to begin with, the tiny Island was a good fortress but not resource enough to hold on to vast amounts of success. Napoleon thought he could rule the world, but he failed to see one very important fundermental...you can't be in more than one place at the same time. The moment you turn your back and leave, people are plotting against you, all you have to do is leave to return to a dark casket and burial ceremony already prepared for you, which was the fate of all the rest of the empires...except for the United States of America.
Me personaly, I'd love to visit France some day. America is a lot like early French colonialism. America would rather police the world than run it, a small and nimble subculure with emphasis in culture and humanity, and if you look at France today, its probably the greatest country in the E.U. A black man would be french president before any other European country, maybe even America(LOL)
US is more divided now: A one vote margin in the Senate; Republican Administration and Democratic Congress; "We must win in Iraq" vs. "Get out ASAP" .... etc thus in interest of national unity, I propose The Dems and Republicans cancel the 2008 election which will just polarize the nation more. I.e. agree on a government of "national unity."
One Dem & one Repub. to be president and vice president in alternate days of the week. (Perhaps no one on Sundays.?) To avoid the Black / White issue that seems to be coming and to make an easier transition to the day when a woman is president I suggest the following Two serve as "PresidentVP" (new title):
Democrat: is: Obama
Republican is: C. Rice
Long live black power in national unity government !! - All hail the new PresidentVPs !!! (Marine Band is now playing "Hail to the Chief.)
One Dem & one Repub. to be president and vice president in alternate days of the week. (Perhaps no one on Sundays.?) To avoid the Black / White issue that seems to be coming and to make an easier transition to the day when a woman is president I suggest the following Two serve as "PresidentVP" (new title):
Democrat: is: Obama
Republican is: C. Rice
Long live black power in national unity government !! - All hail the new PresidentVPs !!!
(Marine Band is now playing "Hail to the Chief.)In terms of available education, technology and wealth. Shouldn't these things make a society better?
If critical thought is stimulated in education, yes... (obviously this is not the case) as for technology and wealth they only make people lazier.
Technologically advanced yet socially insane.
Because deep down, subconsciously, many Americans actually believe white males are superior. Many Americans believe that males are smarter than females, and whites are smarter than blacks. In specific, and technically, they believe that skin tone, and gender type determine personality type and intelligence.
Some of these Americans post on thise forum, with corrupted IQ/Race statistics to back up their pseudo science to help convince others to believe that there is a such thing as racial intelligence. Then you have people, who believe men are naturally smarter than women, and have bigger brains, and that because men currently dominate the earth, that it's proof that men are smarter.
There are people who believe, that might makes right, and that man is supposed to rule the earth and enslave everyone beneth him. There are people who believe that women came from mans rib bone. There are people who believe God is a man.
A lot of these beliefs are subconscious beliefs, but they do exist. Because these subconscious beliefs exist, no matter what your friends may say, no matter what people may tell you, or say they believe, when it comes time to vote, their instincts will guide them and they will vote their gut. What does their gut say?
1. Whites are the smartest race.
2. Men are the smartest gender.
3. Only Christians will be saved by Jesus when he returns.
4. Homosexuals are sinners.
Yes, Americans are THAT religious, and THAT brainwashed. I'm not anti religion, I'm for religion, but you have to admit that a lot of the time, religion just happens to favor the status quo.
So why hasn't social change kept pace with technological advancement? Why no black or female President until now? Why this persistence of gender and race inequality?
I've heard other educated men on this forum ascribing differences in sex and color to differences in abilities. Are all white males equally proficient? So why should differences be an issue?
Pish tosh. Cannot get more religious and patrilineal than the Indians.
What else?
Nope, Rome failed when she allowed so many non-Romans into her great nation, and didn't force a change in their ways of thinking. Immigrants crushed Rome from the inside. (They were probably Muslims in disquise!
Actually it was the Goths, not the Muslims who attacked Rome, and it had little to do with immigration, it was more that Goth tribes, and other random tribes were constantly non stop attacking Rome, and getting better and better at it until Rome collapsed.
China would have been a world empire if it focused on military might and not on culture. China has/had a beautiful culture, but Europe ultimately won because while China built a wall, Europe was conquering the world by might.
We have to accept that not all cultures are equal. Some cultures are naturally destructive and some cultures are naturally constructive. We need to adopt the best features of all cultures and Americanize it, and intergrate it, instead of trying for this multi-culturalism, which just accepts the best and worst from all cultures. We need to stop accepting the worst aspects of any culture. We must accept the fact that some activities are simply unAmerican, and unacceptable.
The Indians are a terrible example of a society, I mean if you want to use India for an example, their caste system makes American racism and slavery look like a gift to Africans. In India, it's worse than slavery, people are born into permanent castes called untouchables, and no matter what they ever do, or their children every do, or their childrens children ever do, they are locked into that caste.
I guess America could end up with that system too, if we consider the poor as the untouchable class. This is another point, we need to stop adopting the worst features of every culture and adopt the best. It seems the main feature the west wants to adopt from India, is the caste system, only the westernized version seems like it will be a sorta economic caste system, but it has the same effect.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0602_030602_untouchables.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
http://www.house.gov/pitts/dalits.htm
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Because human evolution is not moving at a quick enough pace. We evolve quickly physically because we mate based on physical properties. We evolve slowly mentally because often, the most intelligent, have the least amount of kids, or don't mate at all, or if they do, they mate with a complete moron.
It's not just mating patterns, it's also the lack of a dynamic culture. What role do women have in culture? Martha Stewert? Oprah? Women have a long long way before they have influence over culture. Women are just beginning to become fashion designers, and just beginning to culturally liberate themselves.
The youth, are culturally liberated, men and women in their 20s, these groups are not the ones who would refuse to vote for a female or black President. It's people who were born in the 1940s, or 1950s, or 1960s, generally those sorts of generations who were involved with the civil rights movement, and people who grew up during a time where the man was king of his castle, and where women were house maids, in this traditionalist culture, it's just how things were. The women were to stay home, cooking and cleaning, the man was go to go out, work, and make all the money. There was a time where women were not even allowed to go to college or vote!