A president is not the same as a governor, the president is the leader of a country and the armed forces, thats a fuckin important role. There has been only two black governors in the history of the U.S, the presidential position ain't going to come for a while, Obama is wasting media time. I agree, I would like to see a black president, but to be honest I would prefer to see a white female president first, just for the fun of it. I really don't care wh becomes president, not even if Tony Blair decides to run, I'll much prefer to see a black man on the U.S currency before a black man president, that...will be a feat.
Is America (US) ready for a black president?
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A president is not the same as a governor, the president is the leader of a country and the armed forces, thats a fuckin important role. There has been only two black governors in the history of the U.S, the presidential position ain't going to come for a while, Obama is wasting media time. I agree, I would like to see a black president, but to be honest I would prefer to see a white female president first, just for the fun of it. I really don't care wh becomes president, not even if Tony Blair decides to run, I'll much prefer to see a black man on the U.S currency before a black man president, that...will be a feat.
That's just it though, the only reason we can't have a black President is, people don't want to see a President with dark skin, it's really as simple as that.
It's a stupid as hell reason not to have a qualified President, but the same reason we can't have a female President, as a lot of people don't want a President with breasts.
There have been two in the last ten years of Detroit alone and I can think of at least 1 other off the top of my head.
I will answer a few points:
1. condi has no chance in hell. conservatives wont elect her because they wont elect a black person or a women, and democrats wont elect her because she is serving under bush. end of discussion about her, as I would have a better chance of winning.
2. Hillary is too easy a target for criticism. she has made a lot of decisions that blow with the political winds.
3. Obama could win if he runs a fantastic campaign. it wont be easy but it can be done. as for the south, they wont vote for him, but there was a book that came out recently that examines how it is possible to win an election without the southern states. however, if the repubs run McCain, Obama does not stand a chance in hell. even giuliani will give Obama a run for his money, and I guarantee it will be one of those two running in 08. my recommendation would be to run someone like Dean (BEE-YAH!) with Obama as vice.
only time will tell which candidate will look better to the American people. however, I think it would be a great step for African Americans to have obama run and lose. after elections, there is usually a lot of "buyers remorse" and positive thinking about the guy who lost. therefore, if obama ran and lost, he would make the american people think "ya know, he really was not a bad guy." and that could open the door to future black presidents.
1. condi has no chance in hell. conservatives wont elect her because they wont elect a black person or a women, and democrats wont elect her because she is serving under bush. end of discussion about her, as I would have a better chance of winning.
2. Hillary is too easy a target for criticism. she has made a lot of decisions that blow with the political winds.
3. Obama could win if he runs a fantastic campaign. it wont be easy but it can be done. as for the south, they wont vote for him, but there was a book that came out recently that examines how it is possible to win an election without the southern states. however, if the repubs run McCain, Obama does not stand a chance in hell. even giuliani will give Obama a run for his money, and I guarantee it will be one of those two running in 08. my recommendation would be to run someone like Dean (BEE-YAH!) with Obama as vice.
only time will tell which candidate will look better to the American people. however, I think it would be a great step for African Americans to have obama run and lose. after elections, there is usually a lot of "buyers remorse" and positive thinking about the guy who lost. therefore, if obama ran and lost, he would make the american people think "ya know, he really was not a bad guy." and that could open the door to future black presidents.
How strange that people in the most advanced Western country should think like this.
what do you mean with most advanced????????
In terms of available education, technology and wealth. Shouldn't these things make a society better?
Well, Americans also think it's pretty damned strange seemingly many countries in the Middle East and in the world want a theocracy based on Islam, too.
Americans also don't want tits and wide hips on the person who leads our great nation!
Yep, Americas are a pretty strange group of people ...all of us exactly the same, huh, Sam?
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In terms of available education, technology and wealth. Shouldn't these things make a society better?
You forgot .....and the most powerful military in the world.
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Well, Americans also think it's pretty damned strange seemingly many countries in the Middle East and in the world want a theocracy based on Islam, too.
Americans also don't want tits and wide hips on the person who leads our great nation!
Yep, Americas are a pretty strange group of people ...all of us exactly the same, huh, Sam?
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I mean its strange that one should even be having an argument of whether being a woman or a person of color should have an effect on a candidates ability to govern. What does the one have to do with the other?
I was only considering what made a society better. Having the biggest military did not save the Greeks and Romans. And never having a military of consequence never held back the Chinese or Indians. When I say better, I mean in terms of mature thought that focuses on national progress over individual gains.
You really don't know??? I mean, really?
Sam, surely with all of your world travels and meeting all of the people in the world, and knowing how people are, can you actually, and honestly, say that you don't know?
Do you really live and breathe in such a fantasy world?
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No really I don't know. Please tell me.
Well, it did until they no longer had the biggest, strongest military! When Rome fell, her military was nothing more than a rag-tag bunch of criminals and misfits.
Hmm? Let me think about that some. As I recall history, China had large military organization. India? I don't know, perhaps because of where India is was enough of a defense for them?? I'll have to do some study and thinking on that.
I think that's actually when a nation begins to fail. They turn weak-willed, cowtowing to anyone and everyone with some complaint or with some agenda. Trying to satisfy any and all of the citizens and the people of the world, is the sure sign of a failing and weakening powerful nation.
I think Spurious, perhaps Spider, implied the very same thing when he said that the US should seek the permission of all nations before doing anything. And worse, of course, is that some of our own politicians think the same thing. It's sad, really, to watch the nation failing right before my eyes.
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If you don't, Sam, then I feel terribly sorry for you. And any explanation would simply be a waste of effort and time.
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No they failed because they did not think beyond conquest.
China had a long reign of Emperors and imperialistic tribes (like the Mongols and Turkic tribes) but that is not what defines Chinese culture today. The Chinese are not known today for military prowess but for hard work, intelligence and the will to succeed as a nation. None of these are incumbent on the military.
And India? All 5000 years of known history is the history of those who came as invaders and stayed as Indians (except the British). Again that is not what a military power would do, but a society that conquers by power of a superior culture that enriches its culture without losing its identity. Regardless of what people came to India, regardless of their color, creed or political aspirations, we are all Indians.
No a nation fails when it cannot support itself as a society. Whether it is lack of resources or lack of shared values, a society needs people to have a shared identity which is valuable to them to survive. Without this perception of themselves as a single people there will always be conflict and division. No military can overcome that.
Indeed it is.
Nope, Rome failed when she allowed so many non-Romans into her great nation, and didn't force a change in their ways of thinking. Immigrants crushed Rome from the inside. (They were probably Muslims in disquise!
)But that's not what China says! In fact, quite the opposite ...China is overly proud of her great and wonderous heritage, and does everything possible to maintain that general view and outlook.
With never one tiny little bit of internal conflict and/or racial/cultural conflict? In all of her history? How wonderful to be the only nation on Earth to have accomplished such grandeur on such a major scale.
Yep, I agree. And what we've done as a society in America is to dilute our culture, our shared values, to the point of having virtually no shared identity or values. And worse, of course, is that we've taken in peoples of other cultures and other values who have done nothing but cause major conflicts ...yet our own idiotic laws protect the very ones who are fuckin' up our once great, shared identity and culture.
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Yes, but because you have money, numbers and all the latest toys. If you put an average american soldier against say a rok or north korean soldier, there is no contest. Simply because they are more disciplined, it would be like putting a fresh out of basic enlistee against a ranger. Now don't get me wrong america does have its special forces but I'm talking about the average soldier.
I recall an example where a platoon was kept at attention side by side. As soon as the sergeant left the room, the american soldiers would immediately relax and start shooting the breeze until he returned. The rok soldiers would stay at attention until ordered to stand at parade rest, dismissed or otherwise. The latter is exactly what a soldier is SUPPOSED to do and they did.