w1z4rd
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After a short conversation I had with Spuriosmonkey (spelling) I thought I would make a full thread about this.
The way we go into this discussion was when SM mentioned that a Christian nation invaded a Muslim country.
I then countered with the following quotes:
I added a couple more for effect.
Now these days America has that wheel-tapper they call president in control and he makes a statement like:
In Africa we have our problems, luckily its corruption and crime and not sick religious freaks like this in control Trolling aside...
From what I understand America is comprised of settlers who wanted to move away from religion?
The way we go into this discussion was when SM mentioned that a Christian nation invaded a Muslim country.
I then countered with the following quotes:
Thomas Jefferson "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
John Adams, 2nd President of the United States "The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion."
"He who says "The United States is a Christian nation founded upon Christian principles and beliefs" is woefully ignorant of history. The United States was founded by Deists, and the puritan settlers were but one immigrant group among many.
Thomas Jefferson "Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear... "
The First Amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Thomas Jefferson "Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion?"
Treaty of Tipoli (Joel Barlow) Art. 11. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never enArt. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.This treaty was endorsed by George Washington before he left office. It was then officially endorsed by John Adams and sent to the senate where it was officially ratified June 10, 1797..."
Thomas Jefferson, 1823 "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus…will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Thomas Jefferson "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
I added a couple more for effect.
Now these days America has that wheel-tapper they call president in control and he makes a statement like:
43rd President George W. Bush, United States The United States is a Christian nation founded upon Christian principles and beliefs
George W. Bush I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
George W. Bush We need common-sense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God. Those are the kind of judges I intend to put on the bench.
George W. Bush I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job.
In Africa we have our problems, luckily its corruption and crime and not sick religious freaks like this in control Trolling aside...
From what I understand America is comprised of settlers who wanted to move away from religion?