Iran trys to get holland to ban dutch mp's film about the "violence provoking koran"

Michael said:
Clearly so.

Which is more tolerant?

To say hello to your neighbor while at the same time teaching your children your nice neighbors beliefs must be wrong.

OR

To say hello to your neighbor while at the same time teaching your children your nice neighbors beliefs may be wrong - but they may also be right.
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Wrong analogy.

Which is tolerant? Teaching your child that the neighbors are delusional people who follow a violent book? Or teaching your children that your neighbor follows a different belief system from yours?

I would never send any of my kids to your home Michael because you have shown yourself to be extremely intolerant towards Islam. Same goes for all the I don't hate Muslims, I hate Islam types.
 
Well, we will see how Muslims react to the movie and we'll compare it with who Buddhists acted with their 2500 year old statues were smashed by Muslims. Lets see how the two people from the two beliefs react.

We'll use it as a test.

AND considering the destruction of 2500 year old irreplaceable statues was MUCH worse than the production of a movie by some Dutch idiot, I think the Muslims almost have an unfair advantage.
 
You wanna see violent Buddhists? Move to Sri Lanka and support the Tamils.

Or take a look see at the junta in Burma. Plenty to be found.

It hasn't been long since the monks used to skin alive Banpos who did not convert to their faith either.

Regardless persist in your illusions and pretend you are tolerant, if you are so minded.
 
S.A.M. said:
Apparently you agree with Buffalo Roam then

Muslims = Terrorist in Training?

So much for your shallow philosophy. :p
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No, my friend Mo is fine. His family is pretty open minded. HE agrees that maybe it is all bullshit. Maybe being atheist is fine. BUT if there is a God then he gets into heaven - as for me, who knows. Better safe than sorry. See, this is OK with me. I agree with him. Maybe he is right, maybe I will go to hell or at bets get into heaven but feel bad for never forming an Earthly relationship with God. I'm happy to take my chances.

Next beer please!


Anyway, as I am non-religious when I look in at religions if I see something I like, that agrees with my liberal attitude then I think it is fine. The simple fact is there are few liberal Muslims like my friend Mo. Oh, you're liberal like Mo but in different ways. The two of you together would make one good atheist :p
 
S.A.M. said:
You wanna see violent Buddhists? Move to Sri Lanka and support the Tamils.

Or take a look see at the junta in Burma. Plenty to be found.

It hasn't been long since the monks used to skin alive Banpos who did not convert to their faith either.

Regardless persist in your illusions and pretend you are tolerant, if you are so minded.
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And I said SAM those Buddhists are arseholes. remember? I didn't make an excuse and I didn't say "oh those guys aren't "real" Buddhists. I simply said those guys are arse hole shits.

Anyway, we'll run the test and see what the results are.

Buddhist's of various faiths overall general world-wide reaction to statue destruction versus Muslim's of various faiths overall general world-wide reaction to movie.
 
Michael said:
No, my friend Mo is fine. His family is pretty open minded. HE agrees that maybe it is all bullshit. Maybe being atheist is fine. BUT if there is a God then he gets into heaven - as for me, who knows. Better safe than sorry. See, this is OK with me. I agree with him. Maybe he is right, maybe I will go to hell or at bets get into heaven but feel bad for never forming an Earthly relationship with God. I'm happy to take my chances.

Next beer please!


Anyway, as I am non-religious when I look in at religions if I see something I like, that agrees with my liberal attitude then I think it is fine. The simple fact is there are few liberal Muslims like my friend Mo. Oh, you're liberal like Mo but in different ways. The two of you together would make one good atheist :p
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Your friend is quite the diplomat. But no, I would still keep my children away from you. Whether you know it or not, you have developed an attitude of intolerance towards all Muslims. Sad, but not uncommon these days. Even sadder when you think of what it has meant for people in Afghanistan and Iraq. Their unfair advantages catching up to them no doubt.
 
Kadark said:
I thought the Tamil Tigers were Hindus?
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Yeah, they are persecuted by the Buddhist majority, who consider themselves the original Buddhists since the Pali canons were written in Sri Lanka.

It was always a custom with the Sinhalese kings when engaged in wars to take with them the "sons of Buddha" evidently to show that the wars were conducted in a spirit of religion. To these rulers nothing appeared more supreme than this religion, which was called the "religion of the conqueror", and was thus completely identified with the racial individuality of the people....
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http://www.tamilnation.org/tamileelam/fundamentalism/index.htm

Similarly, the Buddhist majority in Burma routinely persecutes minority Muslims and Christians and destroys churches and mosques. I'm guessing its not big news in the west. :)
 
I doubt he is being diplomatic.

I don't think even "these days" is accurate. Just watch an old Arnie movie. The caricature is the same. As for why? Just look at the women walking around in Sydney looking through a slit. Or the girl at the beach swimming in a burka or the Japanese women who will never speak with her family again but is fine with that because coming to know the real God is more important than her family, or the lady who couldn't/wouldn't shake my hand. All these things add up SAM weather you like it or not. No other religious (except Xian dooms day cults) match up. Add to this the things poor state of affairs of the ME, the violence, the killing, the destruction, the riots over cartoons - well like I said you reap what you sow.


Even now, my friend is being "diplomatic".
Diplomatic.
Do you really think it is so hard that a Muslim can reach the point where they acknowledge that yes they may actually be wrong and Islam may be incorrect. It's a logical step anyway, nothing even religious about it. Obviously that's why there are religions like Baha'i'. People decided that the Qur'an was flawed because of various reasons. That's the reason why Baha'i are killed in Muslim countries. Sadly, their headquarters isn't in Iran where the religion started but over in "evil" Israel.

funny that,
Michael
 
Ohhh, okay. So Sri Lanka's majority is Buddhist, and the minority (perhaps persecuted by the majority?) are the Tamil Hindus.

Is that somewhat right?
 
Kadark said:
Ohhh, okay. So Sri Lanka's majority is Buddhist, and the minority (perhaps persecuted by the majority?) are the Tamil Hindus.

Is that somewhat right?
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Yup. And the LTTE who are vastly outnumbered and outgunned by the Sinhalese army, have perfected the art of guerilla warfare. Since the 1970s their most powerful weapon is the suicide bomber. At any time they have at least 400 people, some as young as 17, as part of their SB squad. Strangely as Hindu Marxists they do not get 72 virgins.

Nevertheless, they sent a woman to blow up our Prime Minister. The only recognisable piece found of him was a Nike shoe. Of course, we were complete fools. Instead of liberating them, we signed a peace accord.

Btw, according to Indian intelligence, the LTTE train sucide bombers for al Qaeda. Interesting, ain't it?
 
S.A.M. said:
You wanna see violent Buddhists? Move to Sri Lanka and support the Tamils.

Or take a look see at the junta in Burma. Plenty to be found.

It hasn't been long since the monks used to skin alive Banpos who did not convert to their faith either.

Regardless persist in your illusions and pretend you are tolerant, if you are so minded.
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The junta is not religous since when have communists been religous, sure like the chinese gov, they may pay lip service to it, to kill a monk in buddism is the ultimate crime, its like catholics killing priests, so once again another weak pathetic comparison that has no basis in reality.
the tamil are hindu by majority.


You know i look at your posts with michael, i see your anger & hostility in your posts its there for all to see, trouble is i dont see his, i see his debating tatics, you are constantly provocative & defensive, you cant agree with anything negative about islam when you are going down this tunnel vison road.
 
What is the word to describe a person who takes this attitude:

Q: Does the possibility exist that the Qur'an may be wrong?
A: No the possibility can not exist.

I chose intolerant - do you have a better word?

Think about that attitude and how it influenced the way the Muslims in Iran to treat the Baha'i when they formed a new religion. They murdered them, they banned their beleif, they forced them to move from Iran or practice their beleif in secret. Think about how this combined with taxing people based on their beleif have effected people.

Even the slave owner thinks: I protect the Slave, I feed him, I cloth him, I shelter him.


Q: Does the possibility exist that the Qur'an may be wrong?

Michael
 
Yup. And the LTTE who are vastly outnumbered and outgunned by the Sinhalese army, have perfected the art of guerilla warfare. Since the 1970s their most powerful weapon is the suicide bomber. At any time they have at least 400 people, some as young as 17, as part of their SB squad. Strangely as Hindu Marxists they do not get 72 virgins.
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Do they at least get 72 cows? Okay, that was mean.

Nevertheless, they sent a woman to blow up our Prime Minister. The only recognisable piece found of him was a Nike shoe. Of course, we were complete fools. Instead of liberating them, we signed a peace accord.
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Has it worked (honest question)?
 
To go back to the OP: We will see how peaceful many Muslims act.
Who knows, maybe they have learned from their violent reaction towards the cartoons and will act more civilized?
 
Kadark said:
Has it worked (honest question)?
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Yeah, all the Prime Ministers after him have survived through their terms.

Anyway, back to topic, I'll leave you to Michaels views of tolerance ie Islam/Muslim bashing
 
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