And if they decide to turn to violence, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
It is a VERY bad thing and it only serves to demonstrate the film may be entirely correct. Is that a bad thing?
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Iran trys to get holland to ban dutch mp's film about the "violence provoking koran"
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And if they decide to turn to violence, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
It is a VERY bad thing and it only serves to demonstrate the film may be entirely correct. Is that a bad thing?
Actually, while killed is a bit exagerated, if you WANT to anger someone you probably might expect them to turn violent.So, if I want to make anyone angry, I must be prepared to be killed. What fucking rationale is that?
Then, by making that statement, you are every bit as guilty by supporting and defending the killings.
And no, the did NOT ask to be killed. That is complete bullshit.
What are you talking about man? What I am saying is people need to watch what they say. Like it or not, they are TRYING to get others angry, and when some get angry they get violent. They are the instigators.
Of course, but if the law was just the person that pissed them off (depending on what they did) should be fined.And if they decide to turn to violence, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Instigation of a fight is a misdemeanor I believe.
It is a VERY bad thing and it only serves to demonstrate the film may be entirely correct. Is that a bad thing?
No, it isn't a bad thing because violence has helped shape our world. Now yes, it's bad, but without it we won't be as advanced.
Of course, but if the law was just the person that pissed them off (depending on what they did) should be fined.
Instigation of a fight is a misdemeanor I believe.
There should be no fine as there was no instigation. It's a film. You are free to watch it or not.
The fact that your pissed off by the film is your own personal problem, and how you act on it is your problem also, unless you make it a problem for the authorities.
No, it isn't a bad thing because violence has helped shape our world. Now yes, it's bad, but without it we won't be as advanced.
Uh, yes we would. No one needs violence to advance mankind. That's just silly.
Actually, while killed is a bit exagerated, if you WANT to anger someone you probably might expect them to turn violent.
No, I do not. I would expect that person has anger issues and needs counseling. I already told you that.
What are you talking about man? What I am saying is people need to watch what they say. Like it or not, they are TRYING to get others angry, and when some get angry they get violent. They are the instigators.
No, there is no instigation. The problem is entirely and completely with the Muslims who turn to violence. Case closed. It's that cut and dried and no matter how you try to spin it, you will lose.
You are best to talk with a lawyer who will tell you exactly the same thing.
There should be no fine as there was no instigation. It's a film. You are free to watch it or not.
The fact that your pissed off by the film is your own personal problem, and how you act on it is your problem also, unless you make it a problem for the authorities.A film that is intelligent as opposed to a film DESIGNED TO PISS PEOPLE OFF is two different things, that's instigation. They WANT people to get angry. That's the whole point.
Please tell me you don't honestly believe morons should be allowed to spew their shit into society.
Uh, yes we would. No one needs violence to advance mankind. That's just silly.
No it isn't. Alot of breakthroughs were because we seriously needed the breakthroughs because of a war (nuclear bomb, for instance), etc. One good thing that comes out of wars is the advancement of tactics and technology, strategies, etc
Well I am not surprised when super angry people turn violent, because most of them do.No, I do not. I would expect that person has anger issues and needs counseling. I already told you that.
I am not saying they don't have anger issues, but that angry people can turn violent so don't make them angry.
re is no instigation. The problem is entirely and completely with the Muslims who turn to violence. Case closed. It's that cut and dried and no matter how you try to spin it, you will lose.
You are best to talk with a lawyer who will tell you exactly the same thing.
Yes, the Muslims turn violent, but the people behind the mockery ARE TRYING TO get them to turn violent. That's instigation, they are TRYING TO START A FIGHT. And don't say otherwise, because anyone going into a country and mocking the population and burning the flag can't be looking for anything else.
A film that is intelligent as opposed to a film DESIGNED TO PISS PEOPLE OFF is two different things, that's instigation. They WANT people to get angry. That's the whole point.
It's unfortunate that you are not getting this through your head, and I'm going to suspect that it is your religion that is causing the problem, as this is really not that hard to figure out.
There are a great many films "designed to piss people off" - so what? People might get pissed off, but they also have the sense to understand it's just a film. They don't turn to violence.
You can repeat yourself over and over and it will get you nowhere. But, what it WILL do is confirm that Islam is NOT a peaceful religion and that the contents of the film are correct.
Please tell me you don't honestly believe morons should be allowed to spew their shit into society.
Muslims spew their shit into society every day. What about that?
Well I am not surprised when super angry people turn violent, because most of them do.
I am not saying they don't have anger issues, but that angry people can turn violent so don't make them angry.
Look pal, clearly you are never going to figure this out. So, I'll drop it. However, you are totally wrong and any lawyer will tell you that.
My religion? What religion? I have never had great care for religion.It's unfortunate that you are not getting this through your head, and I'm going to suspect that it is your religion that is causing the problem, as this is really not that hard to figure out.
There are a great many films "designed to piss people off" - so what? People might get pissed off, but they also have the sense to understand it's just a film. They don't turn to violence.
You can repeat yourself over and over and it will get you nowhere. But, what it WILL do is confirm that Islam is NOT a peaceful religion and that the contents of the film are correct.
And those films are acceptable? No. CRITICISMS are acceptable, ignorant hate-speech is not. The problem is, those videos are designed to get people angry and for the ignorant, as Kadark said, they will just fuel more hatred. They are harmful to society.
Of course, Abrahamism isn't peaceful, we've established that already.
No, they express their beliefs. There is a difference between that and IGNORANT INSTIGATION, where the filmmaker is specifically trying to spark violence and hate. Unless all Muslims are making ignorant videos about other people, they are free to believe as they wish.Muslims spew their shit into society every day. What about that?
Look pal, clearly you are never going to figure this out. So, I'll drop it. However, you are totally wrong and any lawyer will tell you that.
There is nothing to figure out. I know what you are saying, and yes free speech is one thing but ignorance when specifically to spark violence and hatred to a particular group is entirely another. So even if people react violently, the people who made the video WANTING THAT HATRED just asked for it.
There is nothing to figure out. I know what you are saying, and yes free speech is one thing but ignorance when specifically to spark violence and hatred to a particular group is entirely another. So even if people react violently, the people who made the video WANTING THAT HATRED just asked for it.
You are wrong. Your response is based entirely on emotion. No one is sparking violence other than Muslims. It is the Muslims fault entirely for acting violent. Case closed. See a lawyer.
You are wrong. Your response is based entirely on emotion. No one is sparking violence other than Muslims. It is the Muslims fault entirely for acting violent. Case closed. See a lawyer.
The Muslims get violent but the person that made such a video IS TRYING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS.....YES, THAT IS A MISDEMEANOR, IT'S CALLED INSTIGATION WHEN YOU SPECIFICALLY TRY TO SPARK VIOLENCE
The Muslims get violent but the person that made such a video IS TRYING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS.....YES, THAT IS A MISDEMEANOR, IT'S CALLED INSTIGATION WHEN YOU SPECIFICALLY TRY TO SPARK VIOLENCE
Wrong. Totally. It is the Muslims who are at fault entirely. There is no misdemeanor, that is a fabrication on your part.
Then, Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Case closed on that.
That's not what I was arguing. The "case" for that topic was never open.
Why do we have to play by YOUR rules? Why don't YOU make a movie about what you want people to believe about Islam? Why should we do that?
There are tons of movies explaining Islam from an objective viewpoint. I'm not asking anyone to make a movie about Islam that portrays it the way I like - I just want them to stop being hateful assholes who do nothing but create misunderstanding and intolerance.
Then, YOU make a movie talking about the "other side." No one has to make that just because YOU say so.
Yeah, guess what? I never said they had to, dickhead.
It is permissible as it is not a problem, except for Muslims.
I guess you missed Arsalan's (long) list of banned films.
No, that is YOUR own personal conclusion based on not seeing the film, hence you have no reason to comment whatsoever.
I don't have to see the film. Knowing the filmmaker and the purpose of the film is more than enough.
Wrong. Totally. It is the Muslims who are at fault entirely. There is no misdemeanor, that is a fabrication on your part.
They are at fault for the violence but the filmmaker in such a case is at fault for the entire situation even arising
And no, I'm quite certain that instigating a fight is a misdemeanor or something like that
They are at fault for the violence but the filmmaker in such a case is at fault for the entire situation even arising
Nope. Muslims are entirely responsible for being violent.
And no, I'm quite certain that instigating a fight is a misdemeanor or something like that[/QUOTE]
Certain, but wrong. See a lawyer.
There are tons of movies explaining Islam from an objective viewpoint. I'm not asking anyone to make a movie about Islam that portrays it the way I like - I just want them to stop being hateful assholes who do nothing but create misunderstanding and intolerance.
That's exactly what I said, YOU want to decide how they should make films.
I don't have to see the film. Knowing the filmmaker and the purpose of the film is more than enough.
Then, without actually seeing the film, you have absolutely nothing to say about it, dickhead.
Nope. Muslims are entirely responsible for being violent.
And no, I'm quite certain that instigating a fight is a misdemeanor or something like that
Certain, but wrong. See a lawyer.[/QUOTE]
No, that would only be possible if they got violent for absolutely no reason, not even anger.
No, the person who made such a film should be held responsible for instigating violence, because that's precisely what they WANTED to do. And moronic films do nothing but that, and fuel hatred as Kadark said.