It's just a question, it doesn't hurt anyone. I suppose there might be an earthquake? Or something...
Speaking as someone who works at a university as a postgrad and whose father also works at a (different) university as a head of department I can tell you from experience that your paranoia and conspiracy theories are nonsense. People in science make names for themselves by demolishing each others work. The guy who kicks over Einstein will be remembered forever so all this "They'll surpress the truth" stuff is nonsense.Good luck getting many of the people here to think open-mindedly about something so controversial and ignored by the mainstream scientific community. Even smart people are subject to the need to fit in. Most of the people here will defend conventional wisdom like a religion, unwilling to believe that these science spokespeople may not have their best interest in mind.
The bigger the conspiracy, the less likely it is to be true right?
To discover the truth, you have to get past the politics, and sometimes politics is disguised as science.
No, because I happen to know people who work on dark matter models, both in terms of doing astronomical observations and in terms of constructing particle physics theories to be tested. Dark matter arose because we made a new observation which previous ideas couldn't explain so someone came up with a possible answer. That's how science works. You seem to be paranoid about something which is to be expected from science, new ideas. And all the data is available for people to read, almost every physics paper from the last 15 years is on www.arxiv.org . If it were all a scam the entire physics community would have to be in on it and faking all of the conferences, lecture series, exams, experimental data, theoretical models, everything.Also does anyone find the invention of dark matter to explain(or explain away) the weird gravitational behavior of the universe little bit too convenient?
Its funny, you talk about being worried about 'information blackouts' yet from your comments you make it very clear that even when the information is freely and easily available you don't access it. If you knew any gravitational models or cosmology you'd know that your statement "passing would definitely result in catastrophe for our planet." is nonsense. The Earth has passed through the galactic plane many many times over the last 5 billion years, certainly its orbitted around the centre of the galaxy 20+ times (takes about 270 million years if I remember correctly) and if you were right there'd be clear mass extinctions at very regular intervals in the fossil record. There isn't. So not only is there absolutely no basis for your claim in the realms of physics there's a complete absence of evidence for previous 'catastrophes' at regular intervals.The effects of such an event are up for debate, but this passing would definitely result in catastrophe for our planet.
Good luck getting many of the people here to think open-mindedly about something so controversial and ignored by the mainstream scientific community. Even smart people are subject to the need to fit in. Most of the people here will defend conventional wisdom like a religion, unwilling to believe that these science spokespeople may not have their best interest in mind.
The bigger the conspiracy, the less likely it is to be true right?
To discover the truth, you have to get past the politics, and sometimes politics is disguised as science.
...I can tell you from experience that your paranoia and conspiracy theories are nonsense...They'll suppress the truth" stuff is nonsense.
If [dark matter] were all a scam the entire physics community would have to be in on it and faking all of the conferences, lecture series, exams, experimental data, theoretical models, everything... Despite what you might see in the media, science is actually pretty cut throat. If you are wrong someone will point it out. If your models don't work, someone will point it out. If you falsify data you'll be sacked and barred from academia. To 'fake' dark matter every single university in the world has to have 5~50 people in on it because the falsification of astronomical observations can't be done (too many people with their own telescopes).
If you knew any gravitational models or cosmology you'd know that your statement "passing would definitely result in catastrophe for our planet." is nonsense.
The Earth has passed through the galactic plane many many times over the last 5 billion years... and if you were right there'd be clear mass extinctions at very regular intervals in the fossil record. There isn't.
... your ad hom attacks serve no purpose other than to give your own claims the illusion of credence. Which means you can disregard accuracy in making them.
Well I wouldn't know about it, but I do have a hard time to believe that crossing the galaxy axis is a one in a year phenomenon. I would rather like to believe that the crossing is divided in phases; that it juggle between 2 force fields.
But I wouldn't have a clue: Not an astronomer, as it were.
Sorry about the ad hom. I was drinking that night.
Still, our galaxy's gravitational effects are not clear cut in the least. Isn't it at least conceptually possible that the black hole in the center of our galaxy causes it's gravity field to flatten out into a 2-D plane which stretches the length of the galaxy?
So far, nobody has made any attempt to address this idea.
Conspiracies do exist.To think that conspiracies do not exist is naive and makes it all too easy for these people to get away with it.
Dark Matter is a place holder upon which there is no set "Belief."Actually, from what I've read lately, there seems to be a huge group of free-thinking academics who don't believe in dark matter.
This, in itself, is scientific. Finding that one assumption placed on another assumption is unsatisfactory is logical and admirable to recognize.You misunderstood. The whole point I was making is that I believe that these accepted cosmological models may be incorrect, especially if they are all dependent on the unproven existence of dark matter.
Yes, this is nonsense.I was proposing a new model- the hypothetical possibility that we may pass through a 2-D plane where the pull of gravity is immediately reversed. In such a scenario (whether nonsense or not), this sudden change in gravity would have serious effects on our sun, and for every planet in our solar system.
This statement is inaccurate.The galactic plane is unknown in position and in make-up,
This statement is also very inaccurate. Why do you think physics doesn't work? The computer you're using to relay your ideas speaks volumes against your claim. Physics works quite well, thank you.and the physics governing our galaxy is largely unknown.
Ok, so addressed above is how it's not good to base assumptions upon assumptions. Yet, here you made a slew of them.Therefore it is also unknown how many times our solar system has passed the plane, and the velocity of our system in relation to the plane.
The fossil record is off topic. However, your "opinion" is as inaccurate as your claims above.Also, the fossil record is unclear, easily corruptible, and not a dependable witness in my opinion.
Yes, this is nonsense.
Although you dislike the current model- your model is ten times worse and matches no observation.
I admittedly don't understand the math behind physics(nor does a pitcher entirely understand the physics of a curve ball), but I do not think that this should disqualify me from imagining some real-world effects of physics.
Here's my observation. The sun moves up and down across the galactic plane in it's journey around the galactic center. Can anyone explain to me the main gravitational force which would cause this sort of oscillating motion?
Also, isn't it true that the fundamental nature of black holes are simply not understood? I'm no expert, but aren't black holes supposed to be a dimension-warping, conceptually baffling, enigmatic mystery wrapped in an infinitely misunderstood singularity.... or something like that? I wasn't aware that everyone but me has built a mini-black hole in their basement for a science project.
Anyway, my point is that nobody really knows the true nature of black holes. And also, nobody really understands the true nature of gravity. We only have temporary models; models which are restricted by our limited human ability to understand it. To think that everything can be understood by the human mind is what is "nonsense". Perhaps black holes mark that point when human understanding begins to break down and have no relevance. Maybe all your knowledge and understanding is getting in the way of seeing the bigger picture.
It's not from fault that I am able to imagine nonsensical things.
Why do you think that?I admittedly don't understand the math behind physics(nor does a pitcher entirely understand the physics of a curve ball), but I do not think that this should disqualify me from imagining some real-world effects of physics.
In my rudimentary understanding, the oscillation is a factor of a group of forces at work.Here's my observation. The sun moves up and down across the galactic plane in it's journey around the galactic center. Can anyone explain to me the main gravitational force which would cause this sort of oscillating motion?
LHC? "chuckle"Also, isn't it true that the fundamental nature of black holes are simply not understood? I'm no expert, but aren't black holes supposed to be a dimension-warping, conceptually baffling, enigmatic mystery wrapped in an infinitely misunderstood singularity.... or something like that? I wasn't aware that everyone but me has built a mini-black hole in their basement for a science project.
What do you mean? What "True Nature" do you speak of? You seem to assume no one knows what a black hole is or something. That POINT is inaccurate. As I addressed above.Anyway, my point is that nobody really knows the true nature of black holes.
LHC!! "Grin!"And also, nobody really understands the true nature of gravity.
Restricted to models, yes. It must be so. But do not underestimate the human mind. It's a powerful object, indeed.We only have temporary models; models which are restricted by our limited human ability to understand it.
Knowledge and understanding can only augment gaining more knowledge.To think that everything can be understood by the human mind is what is "nonsense". Perhaps black holes mark that point when human understanding begins to break down and have no relevance. Maybe all your knowledge and understanding is getting in the way of seeing the bigger picture.
It's not from fault that I am able to imagine nonsensical things.
I think I understand your root misconception here.
You seem to think that the sun bobs up and down through the galactic plane... Like a mass on a spring, and like a mass on a tehre must be some restoring force that pulls it back into the middle, and so on and so forth.
However, that's not quite how it works. Physics predicts that the Sun orbits around the center of masd of the Galaxy (more or less). This orbit is inclined at some angle to the galactic plane, meaning, that just as the planets in the solar system have ascending and descending nodes where they pass through the plane of the ecliptic, the sun must also have an ascending and descending node, where it pass through the galactic plane. This up and down motion that people think of when they talk about the sun moving through the galactic plane is quite simply the vertical component of the suns inclined orbit around the center of the galaxy, as opposed to some oscillation with a restoring force, like a mass on a spring.