If you worship God, ..

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Sufi

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If you worship god, you are worshipping your imagination in your mind, thkinking that someone as you imagined out there is possibly going to reward you in return of all your efforts.

A complete social conditioning, this illusion prevents you from realizing the reality of life that you are living and from understanding the whole Oneness of existence and finding your creator within.

In fact, we are one within, and there is no separate god out there to worship. We need to realize this and also that we are at the service of the One within at all times. In all religious teachings we were asked to treat others as we would like to be treated, simply because we need to realize that we are one within, and there is no separate god out there to worship and to find favor in the eyes of.

God is a misunderstanding because of not understanding the Oneness of ALLAH.
 
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Sufi said:
If you worship god, you are worshipping your imagination in your mind, thkinking that someone as you imagined out there is possibly going to reward you in return of all your efforts.

A complete social conditioning, this illusion prevents you from realizing the reality of life that you are living and from understanding the whole Oneness of existence and finding your creator within.

In fact, we are one within, and there is no separate god out there to worship. We need to realize this and also that we are at the service of the One within at all times. In all religious teachings we were asked to treat others as we would like to be treated, simply because we need to realize that we are one within, and there is no separate god out there to worship and to find favor in the eyes of.

God is a misunderstanding because of not understanding the Oneness.
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Sufi if you really feel like that then you have totally disqualified yourself as being a Muslim and you dont follow the Prophet for the Koran says:

"They say, We believe in Allah and in the apostle, and we obey; but even after that, some of them turn away; they are not (really) Believers. When they are summoned to Allah and His apostle, in order that He may judge between them, behold some of them decline (to come)....The answer of the Believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: they say, "We hear and we obey"; it is such as these that will attain felicity." [Qur’aan 24:47-51]


or how about the Prophets(pbuh) last message in which he stated:

You will go back to be resurrected (after death) to your Lord. THERE YOU WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR YOUR DEEDS. So do not turn into people who go astray and kill one another.


Think about this....peace
 
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"They say, We believe in Allah and in the apostle, and we obey; but even after that, some of them turn away; they are not (really) Believers. When they are summoned to Allah and His apostle, in order that He may judge between them, behold some of them decline (to come)....The answer of the Believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: they say, "We hear and we obey"; it is such as these that will attain felicity." [Qur’aan 24:47-51]
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surenderer:

Do you see anything about "god (ilah)" in this sign, any indication about "worshipping a god (ilah)"? No!

In the Koran, we are not asked to worship a god, we are asked to realize that we were created to "serve ALLAH". "Abd" means servant, not worshipper. "Abdiyat" is servancy, not worshipping.

But as long as "Allah" is mistranslated as "god", then "servitude" is changed and imagined to be "worshipping" without considering the meanings denoted by these two different words, at all.

I wish you could tell the difference between believing in and serving the One that is referred to as "ALLAH" and believing in a version of god and worshipping him...

Here is an enlightening chapter about their differences --> Do We Worship God or Do We Serve Allah
 
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surenderer:

Do you see anything about "god (ilah)" in this sign, any indication about "worshipping a god (ilah)"? No!

In the Koran, we are not asked to worship a god, we are asked to realize that we were created to "serve ALLAH". "Abd" means servant, not worshipper. "Abdiyat" is servancy, not worshipping.

But as long as "Allah" is mistranslated as "god", then "servitude" is changed and imagined to be "worshipping" without considering the meanings denoted by these two different words, at all.

I wish you could tell the difference between believing in and serving the One that is referred to as "ALLAH" and believing in a version of god and worshipping him...

Here is an enlightening chapter about their differences --> Do We Worship God or Do We Serve Allah
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Thnx Sufi but do you remember this?:

Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh, Muhammad-ur- Rasûl-Allâh

(None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,

and Muhammad SAW is the Messenger of Allah).

I agree that the word "GOD" is mistranslated when put into English but your words make you sound as if you are denying the Supreme Creator....peace
 
You don´t know the difference?

In short, traditional satanists worship satan (what a surprise), but the new-age ones worship themself. Hence, their philosophy and behaviour also varies.
 
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Thnx Sufi but do you remember this?:

Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh, Muhammad-ur- Rasûl-Allâh

(None has the right to be worshipped but Allah).
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This is another mistranslation which is pre-set to the understanding of God and therefore is misleading.

"La" means "there is no"; "ilah" means "god." Hence, "la ilaha" means "there is no god."

Then, ill-Allah follows as an explanation: "illa" meaning "only," "ALLAH." After definitely stating that there is no god afar off somewhere that to be worshipped, "ill-ALLAH" follows. It does not even say "there is ALLAH"; it simply says "only ALLAH."

Unless this is translated properly, the interpreted concept will come out to be a GOD-out-there, that is an ILAH concept beyond us and even beyond the universe.

I agree that the word "GOD" is mistranslated when put into English but your words make you sound as if you are denying the Supreme Creator....
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The Supreme Creator is not a God out there. It is the wholeness of all that IS, which is One, the 'Ahad' who is referred to as 'ALLAH'. ALLAH is not a name for a god out there to worship, but refers to a meaning that should be understood and believed in order to realize this oneness and that Allah is within, we have all surrendered to Hu totally, we are serving Hu all the time willingly or unwillingly.

But, in order that you may 'worship', there must be a god out there. This is impossible. Allah can never be imagined and can never be worshipped as a god out there.

Muhammad SAW is the Messenger of Allah
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'Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah' is another mistranslation based on the pre-set concept of being 'messenger of a god'

The original word is 'Rasool'. and Rasool does not mean the one who receives messages form outside such as messeger. Rasool READS (iqra) the Universal System and Order that operates and communicates it to believers. Therefore he receives the message from Allah within Himself and within the essence of universe. Because Allah is the Originator, the Sustainer not from outside but from within.

As you see, there is a huge difference between a concept of god -who is imagined to be out there beyond the universe- and the true understanding of ALLAH who is within the essence of existence as the Originator, the Whole and the only One, to Whom all existence serve at all times willingly or unwillingly.
 
Sufi said:
This is another mistranslation which is pre-set to the understanding of God and therefore is misleading.

"La" means "there is no"; "ilah" means "god." Hence, "la ilaha" means "there is no god."

Then, ill-Allah follows as an explanation: "illa" meaning "only," "ALLAH." After definitely stating that there is no god afar off somewhere that to be worshipped, "ill-ALLAH" follows. It does not even say "there is ALLAH"; it simply says "only ALLAH."

Unless this is translated properly, the interpreted concept will come out to be a GOD-out-there, that is an ILAH concept beyond us and even beyond the universe.



The Supreme Creator is not a God out there. It is the wholeness of all that IS, which is One, the 'Ahad' who is referred to as 'ALLAH'. ALLAH is not a name for a god out there to worship, but refers to a meaning that should be understood and believed in order to realize this oneness and that Allah is within, we have all surrendered to Hu totally, we are serving Hu all the time willingly or unwillingly.

But, in order that you may 'worship', there must be a god out there. This is impossible. Allah can never be imagined and can never be worshipped as a god out there.



'Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah' is another mistranslation based on the pre-set concept of being 'messenger of a god'

The original word is 'Rasool'. and Rasool does not mean the one who receives messages form outside such as messeger. Rasool READS (iqra) the Universal System and Order that operates and communicates it to believers. Therefore he receives the message from Allah within Himself and within the essence of universe. Because Allah is the Originator, the Sustainer not from outside but from within.

As you see, there is a huge difference between a concept of god -who is imagined to be out there beyond the universe- and the true understanding of ALLAH who is within the essence of existence as the Originator, the Whole and the only One, to Whom all existence serve at all times willingly or unwillingly.
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http://www.muttaqun.com/shahada.html

Taken from the Library of Islamic terms:


Rasul
Other Commonly Used Spellings: RASOOL
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The meaning of the word Rasul is a messenger. Allah sent many prophets and messengers to mankind. Amongst them, the names of twenty-five are mentioned in the Qur'an. From within the list, the Qur'an states the names of five Rasul who are the Mighty ones. These are: Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus), and Muhammad (s.a.w.).
 
Sufi said:
there is a huge difference between a concept of god -who is imagined to be out there beyond the universe- and the true understanding of ALLAH who is within
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Why should location matter? It is a meaningless distinction to the True Mystic. Why would the True Mystic care whether God was a Trillion miles away or an inch? Space and Time collapse in the Mystical Experience of God, making the distinction you are straining at essentially meaningless.

You should find a battle worth fighting.
 
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