I Want a Local Casino!

[Bowser]

We have a vote coming up on several measures that, if approved, will change the state constitution allowing the addition of a large casino in my home town. The TV ads against it are provocative and nearly swayed my opinion until I heard that the state tribal casinos were backing those ads. And the more I read about it, the more I think it would be a positive for the local economy. Quite honestly, I would like having a casino nearby and within a 30 minute drive, but I wouldn't want to see them proliferate everywhere--a possibility in the future should the constitution be changed. Anyway, there's a huge televised battle going down over this casino, and it's interesting to see and hear the players trying to influence the vote. As it stands, I'm voting for the casino and my wife is voting against it. I personally think most people here are too uptight to let it happen, but I'm hopeful it will squeeze by.

The Grange

 

[Neverfly]

I'm not going to try to sway your opinion one way or the other...
I will say this: There are a lot of factors to consider. Some of them economical, some geographical, some dealing with tourism, others, crime rates. A heck of a lot of things to consider.
A casino in an area unprepared for it can have some pretty hefty cons as well as pros.
I'd suggest weighing the vote very carefully in your mind and examining everything, question everything- up until you reach the booth.

 

[Bowser]

I'm not going to try to sway your opinion one way or the other...
I will say this: There are a lot of factors to consider. Some of them economical, some geographical, some dealing with tourism, others, crime rates. A heck of a lot of things to consider.
A casino in an area unprepared for it can have some pretty hefty cons as well as pros.
I'd suggest weighing the vote very carefully in your mind and examining everything, question everything- up until you reach the booth.

It would be interesting to read some statistics regarding our tribal casinos in Oregon. Their history and operation might serve as an example.

 

[Neverfly]

It would be interesting to read some statistics regarding our tribal casinos in Oregon. Their history and operation might serve as an example.

An excellent starting point.

 

[Buddha12]

Or just go to..........

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...uoDoBQ&usg=AFQjCNGfK1Box1wW76fs6iMgWbWNPajupw

Which is an on line casino for American players. I'm not trying to promote that link but only showing you alternatives to setting up casinos everywhere when you can play from your own home. I'd think that on line gaming is going to be taking over as time goes by because the cost of just going to a storefront casino sometimes is costly depending upon the distance you need to drive.

 

[Bowser]

Or just go to..........

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...uoDoBQ&usg=AFQjCNGfK1Box1wW76fs6iMgWbWNPajupw

Which is an on line casino for American players. I'm not trying to promote that link but only showing you alternatives to setting up casinos everywhere when you can play from your own home. I'd think that on line gaming is going to be taking over as time goes by because the cost of just going to a storefront casino sometimes is costly depending upon the distance you need to drive.

Don't want to use my credit card or bank card. When I gamble, I only bankroll what's in my pocket. I'm skeptical of online gambling.

 

[Buddha12]

Don't want to use my credit card or bank card. When I gamble, I only bankroll what's in my pocket. I'm skeptical of online gambling.

The also accept Pay Pal if you are worried about anything. There are other metholds of payment such as getting your credit card company, any of them do this, to just give a one time purchase number instead of your regular card number whenever you do any transaction online.

If you are so skeptical about online gambling why aren't you also skeptical about real casino's? You do understand that casino's are in the business to make money and that over 90 percent of the people that play in them LOSE MONEY and only a few are the big winners, about 1 percent if that. Some people go to casinos's that have money to spare so if the lose it they aren't concerned but many others keep returning to them to try and get their money back.

 

[tashja]

Local casino good business opportunity for you as well, Bowser. You buy cheap motel for out of state visitors. Seniors and struggling young women looking for job get discount to stay in it. You get piece of casino action by proxy?

 

[Bowser]

The also accept Pay Pal if you are worried about anything. There are other metholds of payment such as getting your credit card company, any of them do this, to just give a one time purchase number instead of your regular card number whenever you do any transaction online.

If you are so skeptical about online gambling why aren't you also skeptical about real casino's? You do understand that casino's are in the business to make money and that over 90 percent of the people that play in them LOSE MONEY and only a few are the big winners, about 1 percent if that. Some people go to casinos's that have money to spare so if the lose it they aren't concerned but many others keep returning to them to try and get their money back.

It's too easy to gamble on an open account. When I last went to Reno--which was many years ago--I took only the cash that I could afford to lose. I leave my checks, bank card and credit cards at home. I find that I am a conservative gambler when on a budget. Gambling is pure entertainment for me, even though I occasionally win enough to keep playing longer with higher betting amounts. We have video slots in our local bars here, and I've seen people dump big money in those machines, which is easy to do if you don't keep yourself on a budget. I'm kind of curious how a new casino might affect the Oregon Lottery here, since the state owns all the video slots in our bars.

 

[Bowser]

Local casino good business opportunity for you as well, Bowser. You buy cheap motel for out of state visitors. Seniors and struggling young women looking for job get discount to stay in it. You get piece of casino action by proxy?

I would be happy with the new slot machines it would bring and the occasional game of craps. I haven't been to the location where they want to build, but I'm sure it would be a boost for the local economy.

 

[Buddha12]

Most jobs that are needed by casinos are only low paying, dead end types of work. Sure there is management but that usually only needs a few people to run it. Dealers, janitors, cooks, waitresses, valets, pit bosses, security and so on are all low paying positions that many times work with tips alone.

 

[Bowser]

Most jobs that are needed by casinos are only low paying, dead end types of work. Sure there is management but that usually only needs a few people to run it. Dealers, janitors, cooks, waitresses, valets, pit bosses, security and so on are all low paying positions that many times work with tips alone.

There may be other economic factors involved, but I can't say what those might be.

 

[Stoniphi]

In my humble opinion, constitutions should be about protecting individual's rights vis a vis the government. Constitutions are the wrong place for such things as casino rules, bridge rules, collective bargaining rules and alternate energy rules to get worked out. All of those issues are on our ballots here and advertizing wars are being waged for/against them with nauseating constancy on the airwaves.

I understand why the groups that want those things want them 'carved in stone' by making them constitutional amendments, but state laws are a better means to handle them so they can be more easily tweaked into the correct final configuration to fit changing circumstances.

I also think it is the very heights of greed and arrogance to ask the voters (in their great collective wisdom ) to constitutionally guarantee an entrepreneur who has a serious financial stake in a new international bridge exclusive right to build any new bridge, thus acquiring all of the revenues and cutting the state right out of any potential profit from bridge tolls. This especially when the government of Ontario has already offered to completely pay for the entire cost of construction and allow the state to repay them from future tolls revenues.

If the original agreement between the state and the First Nations was that the natives had exclusive rights to build casinos by way of repayment for the states' confiscating tribal lands, then those treaties should be renegotiated if the state or the tribes want to change the terms of the treaty. If it is more a matter of rewording a situation, then the state House and Senate should take that up and resolve the issue with state law.

EDIT: OR collect the necessary signatures and put it on state ballot via referendum.

 

[Buddha12]

There may be other economic factors involved, but I can't say what those might be.

It is a great business to launder dirty money at!

 

[Bowser]

In my humble opinion, constitutions should be about protecting individual's rights vis a vis the government. Constitutions are the wrong place for such things as casino rules, bridge rules, collective bargaining rules and alternate energy rules to get worked out. All of those issues are on our ballots here and advertizing wars are being waged for/against them with nauseating constancy on the airwaves.

I understand why the groups that want those things want them 'carved in stone' by making them constitutional amendments, but state laws are a better means to handle them so they can be more easily tweaked into the correct final configuration to fit changing circumstances.

I also think it is the very heights of greed and arrogance to ask the voters (in their great collective wisdom ) to constitutionally guarantee an entrepreneur who has a serious financial stake in a new international bridge exclusive right to build any new bridge, thus acquiring all of the revenues and cutting the state right out of any potential profit from bridge tolls. This especially when the government of Ontario has already offered to completely pay for the entire cost of construction and allow the state to repay them from future tolls revenues.

If the original agreement between the state and the First Nations was that the natives had exclusive rights to build casinos by way of repayment for the states' confiscating tribal lands, then those treaties should be renegotiated if the state or the tribes want to change the terms of the treaty. If it is more a matter of rewording a situation, then the state House and Senate should take that up and resolve the issue with state law.

EDIT: OR collect the necessary signatures and put it on state ballot via referendum.

We've had some good things written into our constitution that could never be resolved by our legislators. One was property tax limitations. On the other hand, gay marriage was effectively banned in the same way. I see a potential danger within this present effort where it opens the door for more privately owned casinos, even if it does put some limitations in place. As for the native tribes and their casinos, I'm not certain how to address their grievances.