I hate guns.

Buffalo Roam said:
mikenostic

Actually it is 8 to 1.

In the United States, 39% of the house holds own guns, in Britain only 4.7%.
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Haha. OK. But that change still proves my point. Britain has a higher firearm rate than the U.S., in proportion to the percentage of the households that own firearms.
So the question is begged: Which country has the better gun control? Hmmm.

And lala, you should have specified what your collective definition of guns when you created the thread. Most weapons of mass destruction/bombs/grenades/IEDs are not guns, and cause more deaths than small arms do.
 
laladopi said:
It's a fucked up world. but if today I think guns are not only in the hands of the righteous but of the horrible. They should be far and sparse. individualism is the death to the world. No one can be anyones slaves for that would be immoral but if someone was to rob me from gun point the reality of the situation is I am his slave. where is the logic in that?
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You aren't making sense. I think you are a classic pacifist turn the other cheek type. You are going to attract bullies to you for the rest of your life.

People such as yourself embrace slavery because you just said individualism is the death to the world? So if we are a collective and I'm the leader, and I happen to be the one with all the weapons, you're my slave.

If you don't want to be enslaved by people with guns, get your own gun and learn to use it, otherwise when times get tough, you'll be made into the slave.
 
John99 said:
You cannot compare U.S and U.K. This is just a strawman argument.
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Tell that to phlogistician; he just doesnt' seem to get it when I 'splain it to him. He's the one that initially presented it (in a rather vague fashion I might add). I was just countering to prove him wrong.
 
laladopi said:
I don't he could possible not expect me to jab it into his arm.
The use of the gun to make me afraid more than anything unless he wants to murder me then I'm screwed but I'd it's rather ridiculous, having any weaponry in the first place...hmm maybe I say we rid of wanting to use something against others to protect what message I want to send to them. My thread as been lost everyone has taken everything out of context. I'll I wanted to say is less people would be dead.
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Just admit the real reason you hate guns. You're afraid of guns!

You remind me of the kid in school who is so afraid of being bullied that he wont even try to fight back.
 
mikenostic said:
Haha. OK. But that change still proves my point. Britain has a higher firearm rate than the U.S., in proportion to the percentage of the households that own firearms.
So the question is begged: Which country has the better gun control? Hmmm.

And lala, you should have specified what your collective definition of guns when you created the thread. Most weapons of mass destruction/bombs/grenades/IEDs are not guns, and cause more deaths than small arms do.
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I know, everyone just started talking about specifically guns.
I've mention other tactics but all everyone answers to is guns.
 
TimeTraveler said:
You aren't making sense. I think you are a classic pacifist turn the other cheek type. You are going to attract bullies to you for the rest of your life.

People such as yourself embrace slavery because you just said individualism is the death to the world? So if we are a collective and I'm the leader, and I happen to be the one with all the weapons, you're my slave.

If you don't want to be enslaved by people with guns, get your own gun and learn to use it, otherwise when times get tough, you'll be made into the slave.
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completely taken my idea of individualism out of context.
I am not perfect, I make mistakes but I try to be a good citizen and a good person.
Individualism creates problems with everyone, people die. It's the death of us because no one would ever agree on anything. That's not my own believe, it is completely difficult to say your own opinion without being tackled to the ground by people with different believes.
 
TimeTraveler said:
I'm going to say what all rational men are thinking. GUNS ARE GOOD.(At least when in good hands)
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"At least in good hands" So you know who deserves guns and who doesn't? Seems like your passing judgment on people from your own point of view, not everyone would agree with your idea of "good hands". Who really deserves a gun, and in what reason makes guns good?
 
TimeTraveler said:
I'm going to say what all rational men are thinking. GUNS ARE GOOD.(At least when in good hands)
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Men, are you sexist.
Because I am a girl and I brought such a conversation up makes me some kind of womanly women trying to hold up peace signs and smoke pot to save the world. Come on this is pathetic. you have to refer back to your "group" (men) to be safe.
 
laladopi said:
Men, are you sexist.
Because I am a girl and I brought such a conversation up makes me some kind of womanly women trying to hold up peace signs and smoke pot to save the world. Come on this is pathetic. you have to refer back to your "group" (men) to be safe.
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Biography:
i think everything is halarious.
Location:
massachusetts
Interests:
listening, walking, smoking herbals and seeking. :m:
Occupation:
elderly assistant
 
That pot leaf is not in my profile.
I said "...and smoke pot to save the world"
Therefore, my biography is not in the same context.
You have no idea how much pot I smoke, why I smoke and why I like it.
shush.
 
laladopi said:
That pot leaf is not in my profile.
I said "...and smoke pot to save the world"
Therefore, my biography is not in the same context.
You have no idea how much pot I smoke, why I smoke and why I like it.
shush.
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I've heard it all before. munchies.
 
mikenostic said:
I did google it. And you shouldn't have told me to because with these results, you are wrong. Our homicide rate is barely twice what the UK's is (you said it was 4 times as much).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate
U.S.: 5.7/100K
U.K.: 2.03/100K

And...I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is probably way more than twice as many gun owners per 100,000 people in the U.S. as there are the U.K., I'd still say we come out on top.
So at best, this proves the homicide per 100K has very little to do with gun ownership.

And given this list, they had to separate England/Wales from Ireland. I wonder why that is; Ireland is part of the UK.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
Deaths by firearms per 100K
U.S. 3.72/100K
England: .11/100K
N. Ireland 5.24/100K
So if we combine Ireland and England, the average would be ~2,7/100K
The averaged percentage of households with guns in the UK is: ~6.2%
In the U.S., that number is 39%.

US. 39% gun ownership vice 3.72 firearm deaths/100K
UK. 6.2% gun ownership vice 2.7 firearm deaths/100K

You do the rest of the math, the U.S. comes out on top. The UK has ~2/3rds of the deaths per 100K that we do, yet they have barely 1/7th of our household gun ownership percentage.

There are also plenty of countries with far worse statistics than the U.S. how about you pull the double standards/biased mentality out of your ass, get the fuck off the U.S.'s back and go cite some of those countries?
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Your starts are fucked, as is your method. First, you diminish the ratio of 5.7/2.03 to 'barely double' when it's nearly triple, (2.8).... and then you make some relation to the total homicide rate, to the gun ownership rate, ... ignoring the fact that in the UK firearms homicides number about 50 per year, vs the USA's 16,000. You have an overall homicide rate nearly three times ours (I'll give you that, the last figures I used for comparison were 1994), and firearms homicides WAY in excess of the UK.

Guns are not keeping you safer than us, you are three times more likely to be murdered than we are.
 
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