I hate guns.

Buffalo Roam said:
And the numbers of dead would not change, just the method of making them so.

Along with my Gun collection I also have a decent collection of Swords, my favorite being my Katana, it is designed to cut through a man, from shoulder to hip in one cut, now if you don't have a gun, only you switch blade, and I have a Katana, who is in control?

If I want something from you, and you resist, and pull your switch blade, well I think you have a good picture in your mind what happens next.

Or even take my German Bastard Sword, 48 inches of steel, 16 inches of handle, against your 4 inch switch blade.....:roflmao:

Guns aren't the problem, people are, their intent is what is the problem, I sit daily among friend and costumer, at Restaurants, and Bars, I am armed with a gun, and nothing untoward happens, why because it isn't my intent to or inclination to criminal activity.

But the moment a cretan enters the scene, his intent changes everything, I may or may not engage him, depending entirely on his intent, that is what will determine my decision, I am not a law enforcement officer, and until he displays intent to commit grave bodily harm or murder, I just may sit peaceably by and let nature take it course, but I have that option ,available to me, to defend my self or another should the cretan decide to get violent and hurt or kill someone.

So again it isn't the gun, that is the problem it is the Person.
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You seemingly seem to realize my point.
 
John99 said:
Not really. Before the gun and gunpowder life was probably even more brutal and the chances of violent death equally high or from what i can tell moreso.

Not everyone would go along with it anyway, people will cheat and make guns in volume too. Crime goes down due to law enforcement and really that is the main reason because it only takes a handful to f*** up a wet dream.
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things like that would be difficult to come by now a days in countries that seem to have the most gun related deaths. We have grown since the dark ages, I hope so but human's behave on extemporization not everyone thinks and acts like they should.
 
mikenostic said:
Please be more specific on your stats before blurting them out to begin with.
In fact, let me call you out to cite your own damn stats. The burden of proof is on the initial presenter.
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You support gun ownership, but don't know the facts and figures often touted as a reason to own a gun for self defense? You participate in a debate about gun ownership, but don't do one iota of research before doing so?

Wow, you have a high opinion of your opinion!

The USA murders about four times more people per capita than the UK, meaning the allegation that people will find other ways to kill each other other if guns are removed is fallacious. It also makes false the claims that guns keep you safe, or deter crime. It just doesn't fly. More guns = more deaths. Proven, over and over.
 
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Challenger78 said:
Of course.

People keep saying.. Guns don't kill people. people do.
Yes, The people who make it easier to get guns.
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I agree, but that's a different matter.
As you may know I'm against the fire arm policy of the US. I think personal possession of fire arms should be outlawed.
But I have yet to see a court convict a gun for murder.
 
phlogistician said:
You support gun ownership, but don't know the facts and figures often touted as a reason to own a gun for self defense? You participate in a debate about gun ownership, but don't do one iota of research before doing so?

Wow, you have a high opinion of your opinion!

The USA murders about four times more people per capita than the UK, meaning the allegation that people will find other ways to kill each other other if guns are removed is fallacious. It also makes false the claims that guns keep you safe, or deter crime. It just doesn't fly. More guns = more deaths. Proven, over and over.
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And you STILL fail to present sources for your stats. Don't post anything else in this thread that doesn't have sources to your bullshit. K thx bye.
 
mikenostic said:
And you STILL fail to present sources for your stats. Don't post anything else in this thread that doesn't have sources to your bullshit. K thx bye.
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Google it yourself. Being lazy doesn't take the facts away. Being pedantic and insisting I spoon feed you the stats doesn't take the facts away.

If you search SF for old gun related threads you'll find where I already posted the stats, btw, so stop being lazy and evasive.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
The answers still is not the disarmament of the Honest Person.

The banning of guns/weapons, does nothing to solve the problem of violence in the person.
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An honest person ? Where are they found? The only honest people I know are all dead.
 
phlogistician said:
Google it yourself. Being lazy doesn't take the facts away. Being pedantic and insisting I spoon feed you the stats doesn't take the facts away.

If you search SF for old gun related threads you'll find where I already posted the stats, btw, so stop being lazy and evasive.
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I did google it. And you shouldn't have told me to because with these results, you are wrong. Our homicide rate is barely twice what the UK's is (you said it was 4 times as much).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate
U.S.: 5.7/100K
U.K.: 2.03/100K

And...I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is probably way more than twice as many gun owners per 100,000 people in the U.S. as there are the U.K., I'd still say we come out on top.
So at best, this proves the homicide per 100K has very little to do with gun ownership.

And given this list, they had to separate England/Wales from Ireland. I wonder why that is; Ireland is part of the UK.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
Deaths by firearms per 100K
U.S. 3.72/100K
England: .11/100K
N. Ireland 5.24/100K
So if we combine Ireland and England, the average would be ~2,7/100K
The averaged percentage of households with guns in the UK is: ~6.2%
In the U.S., that number is 39%.

US. 39% gun ownership vice 3.72 firearm deaths/100K
UK. 6.2% gun ownership vice 2.7 firearm deaths/100K

You do the rest of the math, the U.S. comes out on top. The UK has ~2/3rds of the deaths per 100K that we do, yet they have barely 1/7th of our household gun ownership percentage.

There are also plenty of countries with far worse statistics than the U.S. how about you pull the double standards/biased mentality out of your ass, get the fuck off the U.S.'s back and go cite some of those countries?
 
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