Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
Look to history, when were the biggest slave populations in existance?
Long before the advent of the gun.
Since the gun, the numbers of those in slavery has gone down dramatically.
I hate guns.
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Look to history, when were the biggest slave populations in existance?
Long before the advent of the gun.
Since the gun, the numbers of those in slavery has gone down dramatically.
I don't he could possible not expect me to jab it into his arm.
The use of the gun to make me afraid more than anything unless he wants to murder me then I'm screwed but I'd it's rather ridiculous, having any weaponry in the first place...hmm maybe I say we rid of wanting to use something against others to protect what message I want to send to them. My thread as been lost everyone has taken everything out of context. I'll I wanted to say is less people would be dead.
Challenger78
Valued Senior Member
To clarify: My problem is not with the idea of restricting guns or policing them. My problem is with the assumption that with the removal of guns, the world will become a better place.
Pandaemoni
Valued Senior Member
Are you implying a causal connection? Admittedly laladopi needs support for his/her statement as well, but neither post hoc, ergo propter hoc argument is sound, without more.
It seems to me as if most emancipation reforms were not firearms related. The Civil War stands out in that regard, and you don't even believe that the Civil War was fought over slavery!
FAIL!
I said 'homicide rate', which is calculated per 100,000 of population, so the USA kills four times more people per capita than the UK.
Please, check your stats before blurting.
Is Brazil comparable to the US? No. Why not compare the US to a more wealthy nation with gun control, like the UK? Oh, because if you do that, you see that gun control = very low gun crime.
It's so hard to buy a gun in the UK, that criminals resort to reactivating deactivated pistols. One gang faked some paperwork to buy deactivated MAC10's. (from the USA) saying they were to be props for a James Bond film, intending to reactivate them. They were caught.
So the solution to guns, is more guns? Sorry, but the facts from other countries just don't support that hypothesis. BTW. Legally owning a gun puts guns in the hands of criminals;
"About 211,000 handguns and 382,000 long guns were
stolen in noncommercial thefts in 1994." (http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476.txt)
So you keep a gun 'for protection' in your bedside cabinet. A thief burgles your house while you are out, and takes your gun. This happens a lot, according to the stats. So that gun isn't deterring criminals from entering your home, perhaps the opposite, they might break in to find a gun to use in the commission of another crime, for which you supplied the weapon.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
You don't hate those things, you hate people that use them.
no i dont agree, what about farmers who want to protect they're livestock from foxes or other animals,
we also need bombs, they are a form of protection and we need to protect the country
people kill people, people with GUNS
Ophiolite
Valued Senior Member
Plog, you are beating a dead horse. Once a cowboy, always a cowboy. They believe they need guns for their protection, even though having them just increases the chances the burglar will have one too and ignores the number of accidental shootings that occur with said guns. Give up. Let them have their guns. Let them kill themselves.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
Are you implying a causal connection? Admittedly laladopi needs support for his/her statement as well, but neither post hoc, ergo propter hoc argument is sound, without more.
It seems to me as if most emancipation reforms were not firearms related. The Civil War stands out in that regard, and you don't even believe that the Civil War was fought over slavery!
If your care to check it out in History, France and Britain used the gun to end slavery around the world, Britain mostly via the Royal Navy.
Bibliography : Royal Navy and the Slave Trade : Battles : Hi...
Zanzibar, slavery and the Royal Navy by Kevin Patience (n.p.: the author, 2000). Odious commerce: Britain, Spain and the abolition of the Cuban slave trade ...
www.royalnavy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.5938 - 40k - Similar pages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
Jab him in the arm, and he shoots you in the chest, who is going to lose that exchange?
These guys are proud of their scars, they are a status symbol for them, something to brage about and show off.
Please be more specific on your stats before blurting them out to begin with.
In fact, let me call you out to cite your own damn stats. The burden of proof is on the initial presenter.
I agree with the crazy old man.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
Crazy enough to still be here after all these years.
I know but without guns, People that depend on the convenience of guns will have to by other means to make such a strong affect that a gun brings. Less people would be dead and the convenience of the gun wouldn't be there anymore.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
And the numbers of dead would not change, just the method of making them so.
Along with my Gun collection I also have a decent collection of Swords, my favorite being my Katana, it is designed to cut through a man, from shoulder to hip in one cut, now if you don't have a gun, only you switch blade, and I have a Katana, who is in control?
If I want something from you, and you resist, and pull your switch blade, well I think you have a good picture in your mind what happens next.
Or even take my German Bastard Sword, 48 inches of steel, 16 inches of handle, against your 4 inch switch blade.....:roflmao:
Guns aren't the problem, people are, their intent is what is the problem, I sit daily among friend and costumer, at Restaurants, and Bars, I am armed with a gun, and nothing untoward happens, why because it isn't my intent to or inclination to criminal activity.
But the moment a cretan enters the scene, his intent changes everything, I may or may not engage him, depending entirely on his intent, that is what will determine my decision, I am not a law enforcement officer, and until he displays intent to commit grave bodily harm or murder, I just may sit peaceably by and let nature take it course, but I have that option ,available to me, to defend my self or another should the cretan decide to get violent and hurt or kill someone.
So again it isn't the gun, that is the problem it is the Person.
Why does the army issue bayonets?
Not really. Before the gun and gunpowder life was probably even more brutal and the chances of violent death equally high or from what i can tell moreso.
Not everyone would go along with it anyway, people will cheat and make guns in volume too. Crime goes down due to law enforcement and really that is the main reason because it only takes a handful to f*** up a wet dream.