I hate guns.

Buffalo Roam said:
A population of 35,322, what would you expect?



That isn't even as big as the town I live in, 38,426 pop.



Very homogenous in language, culture, and ethnicity.
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thank you. you just admitted it is not in fact guns that keep people safe but the factors that influence violent behavior being low.
 
pjdude1219 said:
thank you. you just admitted it is not in fact guns that keep people safe but the factors that influence violent behavior being low.
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No, what I showed was that for the population size it's crime rate was just about were it should be.

How much crime can you get from 35,000 people?

Yes there are some social reasons, but mostly it is because the population isn't big enough to have much of a crime rate.

Most of the People there are related to each other.

Now import about 100,000 people into Liechtenstein, and see what happens to the crime rate.
 
John99 said:
so you are jealous.
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Not at all. I used to shoot, but I'd rather have strict laws governing it, than lax ones. I still shoot airguns, and they are much cheaper to run, quieter, safer etc. So there's nothing to be jealous of.

And that is not a xenophobic rant because it is true, who cares what you ignore.
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It was xenophobic. Deal with what you are.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
phlogistician, that is the problem, the raw data, and the way it is collected, and the fact, that the Government has admitted to the fact that their collection methods are skewed.
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You don't seem to grasp this. The Home Office figures are calcuted using the BCS and Raw Data from Police Forces, to get a more accurate picture than the BCS alone.

The BCS is not the sole source of data, and it has a cut off, because being a victim of the same crime fives times in one reporting period is very unlikely. That cut off does not invalidate the whole survey.

You are starting to sound senile, because I keep explaining this, and it's not sinking in.
 
Mickmeister said:
I don't know, the IRA sure held their own with the British in a country where guns are banned.
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You display a remarkable ignorance of what the IRA stood for, did, and their methods.

Here's a start for you;

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ira+bomb&meta=

And, to put this in perspective, none of those guns in US hands prevented Timothy McVeigh perpetrating what was the largest act of domestic terrorism the US had seen up to that point, with a bomb.
 
phlogistician said:
You display a remarkable ignorance of what the IRA stood for, did, and their methods.

Here's a start for you;

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ira+bomb&meta=

And, to put this in perspective, none of those guns in US hands prevented Timothy McVeigh perpetrating what was the largest act of domestic terrorism the US had seen up to that point, with a bomb.
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And Gun bans like in Great Britain have done nothing to control the crime problems.

The Rate of crimes in the U.S. have fallen:

Since 1991, violent crime crime has decreased to about a 30-year low, and murder has decreased to about a 40-year low, as the number of guns has risen more than four million a year, to an all-time high. Violent crime peaked in 1991. Since then, total violent crime has decreased 39 percent, and murder is particular has decreased 44 percent. Total violent crime is lower now than anytime since the mid-1970s, while murder is lower than anytime since the mid-1960s.
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Strawman, what do the facts of the McVeigh Bombing have to do with protecting your life and property?

Why didn't the Vaunted Police and Government stop McVeigh?

It appears that the FBI had warning that a attack was going to take place.

That is what you want? To have the Government totally responsible for your protection.

But did the Police and Government Agencies do one thing to prevent the Bombing?

No, not one little bit, they only went in to action after 168 Innocent's died.



And the Number of Guns in private hands has increased by 4,000,000 + a year.

Guns in private hand prevent, stop, and save lives tens of thousands a times a year.

Now lets put perspective on this, the Lack of Guns in Private hands has done nothing to slow down the rampant crime that is increasing in Great Britain, and the British Government has skewed the numbers to hide the true facts of just how vulnerable the People are to the Criminal Elements in Great Britain.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
And Gun bans like in Great Britain have done nothing to control the crime problems.
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There hasn't been a 'gun ban'. Merely that short barrelled handguns are no longer available. Also, AS I HAVE REPEATEDLY STATED we were never allowed to keep guns for self defense, so THERE IS NO CAUSAL LINK BETWEEN GUN OWNERSHIP AND CRIME.

The Rate of crimes in the U.S. have fallen:
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Crime rates in the UK have fallen too, what's your point?

Strawman, what do the facts of the McVeigh Bombing have to do with protecting your life and property?
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I was handing the Strawman back to Mickmeister. Take it up with him.

Why didn't the Vaunted Police and Government stop McVeigh?
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Because he was part of a Militia group, and they are vehement 2A supporters?

That is what you want? To have the Government totally responsible for your protection.
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Again, you don't read what I write do you? If criminals can't get guns, I don't need one, and therefore most of the time all I have to worry about is getting into a punch up. Having trained in various martial arts to differing degrees, I'm happy I can look after myself. I don't expect the Police to look after me.

Guns in private hand prevent, stop, and save lives tens of thousands a times a year.
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So go the claims of guns owners, who report using their guns in defense more times that non-owners are victims of crime,... so it doesn't all add up. If the claims of gun owners are true, carrying a gun attracts criminals!

Now lets put perspective on this, the Lack of Guns in Private hands has done nothing to slow down the rampant crime that is increasing in Great Britain,
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AGAIN, THERE IS NO CAUSAL LINK BETWEEN GUN OWNERSHIP IN BRITAIN AND CRIME, BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER ALLOWED TO USE GUNS FOR SELF DEFENSE, TO CHANGES TO FIREARMS LEGISLATION CANNOT HAVE ENCOURAGED CRIMINALS TO COMMIT MORE CRIME THINKING THEY ARE SAFER NOW.

How many times do I have to drill this into your head?

and the British Government has skewed the numbers to hide the true facts of just how vulnerable the People are to the Criminal Elements in Great Britain.
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Dealt with that rant of yours already. Repeating it isn't going to make it true. Home Office Stats use the BCS and raw data. I keep saying it, but you keep flogging your dead horse, because it's all you have.

BUT, if Britain were such a crime hotspot, as I keep saying, that makes you a pussy for needing a gun, when statistically, you should be safer than I, and I don't feel I need one. You don't seem to want to discuss this point, why is that?
 
Buffalo Roam said:
No, what I showed was that for the population size it's crime rate was just about were it should be.

How much crime can you get from 35,000 people?

Yes there are some social reasons, but mostly it is because the population isn't big enough to have much of a crime rate.

Most of the People there are related to each other.

Now import about 100,000 people into Liechtenstein, and see what happens to the crime rate.
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yes and guess what lazy bones population size is one of the factors of violent crime.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Yes, little grasshopper what ever your little heart desires, you beat the big bad Buffalo.
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I hardly call you big and bad. Besting you intellectually is like into a fight with with a retarded limbless baby. the outcome is pretty much known from the start the person going against said opponent is going to win.
 
pjdude1219 said:
I hardly call you big and bad. Besting you intellectually is like into a fight with with a retarded limbless baby. the outcome is pretty much known from the start the person going against said opponent is going to win.
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Yes, so far behind the curve you think your in first place, and the checkered flag is yours.
 
laladopi said:
I think all guns should be destroyed along with other tactics that kill and represent power. Like bombs, poisons and propaganda.

Doesn't everyone agree?
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Let's get rid of technology and live like cave people while we're at it.

As my father said, "When they pry it out of my cold, dead hands."

~String
 
pjdude1219 said:
your just as bad at insulting people as your at logic.
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Yes, to quote from Gettysburg, BG LewisA. Armistead, in his reply to MG. George E. Pickett

Major General George E. Pickett: Sirs, perhaps there are those among you who believe you are descended from a ape. I suppose there may even be those among you who believe that I am descended from a ape. But I challenge the man to step forward who believes that General Robert E. Lee is descended from an ape.


Brigadier General Lewis A. Armistead: All science trembles at the searing logic of your fiery intellect.
 
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