Husband to be left with $0 after divorce

Coerced? THEY SIGN BEFORE THEY ARE GETTING MARRIED! WHEN LOVE BLOSSOMS AND ALL THAT LOVELY STUFF! How do you coerce someone? They either sign it or not, or re-negotiate the terms. The guys a wanker. And if you are being coerced isn't it easier just not to marry the bitch?
 
what about if your preganat and the father threatens to throw you out on the street if you refuse to sign?

what if they have embarising photos or videos and threaten to relace them if you dont sign?

your talking about the people you are most dependent on, you honestly think that you couldnt coherse your partner or they you if they wanted to?

The above sounds like something out of a primetime t.v show not life. pre-nups are for those who have assets to protect. why would you marry somone who is threatening you with videos and photos?
 
what about if your preganat and the father threatens to throw you out on the street if you refuse to sign?

what if they have embarising photos or videos and threaten to relace them if you dont sign?

your talking about the people you are most dependent on, you honestly think that you couldnt coherse your partner or they you if they wanted to?

What? Those are the strangest examples, but it doesn't matter. What I said still stands, unless someone twisted your arm and forced you to sign those papers. Then you volunteered which means you consented. If you didn't mean it you shouldn't have signed it. I think most people are just caught up in how much love they're in and don't think about what they'll want when they hate this person's guts. But it isn't your partner's fault if you can't think ahead.
 
what about if your preganat and the father threatens to throw you out on the street if you refuse to sign?

what if they have embarising photos or videos and threaten to relace them if you dont sign?

your talking about the people you are most dependent on, you honestly think that you couldnt coherse your partner or they you if they wanted to?

what the hell does this have to do with the OP? :shrug:
She signed the exact same pre-nup he did. They both agreed not to touch each other's money.
You just get loopy sometimes
 
What? Those are the strangest examples, but it doesn't matter. What I said still stands, unless someone twisted your arm and forced you to sign those papers. Then you volunteered which means you consented. If you didn't mean it you shouldn't have signed it. I think most people are just caught up in how much love they're in and don't think about what they'll want when they hate this person's guts. But it isn't your partner's fault if you can't think ahead.

EXCELLENT POINTS! You and Orly.

Asguard, show us where prenups are illegal to the point where you are skirting the law please.
 
How did he rack up such a debt without any income? Was she giving him an allowance?
 
what about if your preganat and the father threatens to throw you out on the street if you refuse to sign?

what if they have embarising photos or videos and threaten to relace them if you dont sign?

your talking about the people you are most dependent on, you honestly think that you couldnt coherse your partner or they you if they wanted to?

Do you have proof that any of that happened in this instance?

Do you have any proof that she coerced him or threatened him into signing his pre-nup?

The fact that they both signed it kind of says something, don't you think?

A lot of people have pre-nups and post-nups. My husband and I do. We also have our wills leaving everything to each other if we are still married at the time of our deaths and leaving everything to the children if we are not together. Or are you going to accuse me of threatening my husband with the public revelations of his naked baby photos into getting him to sign it?:rolleyes:
 
If a couple are going to sign a prenup, they should first take into account that something like this could happen. In this case, it did. He signed the agreement, he doesn't get a thing. He agreed to that.
 
what about if your preganat and the father threatens to throw you out on the street if you refuse to sign?

what if they have embarising photos or videos and threaten to relace them if you dont sign?

your talking about the people you are most dependent on, you honestly think that you couldnt coherse your partner or they you if they wanted to?

Asguard, who would marry someone who is blackmailing them or threatening them with physical danger? Honestly, when has that happened?

And if it does happen, and the person signs it instead of just leaving them, then it's still legally binding. It's a legal agreement.
 
Asguard, who would marry someone who is blackmailing them or threatening them with physical danger? Honestly, when has that happened?

And if it does happen, and the person signs it instead of just leaving them, then it's still legally binding. It's a legal agreement.

Actually no. Contracts signed under threat or coercion can deemed void.

Obviously in this case, there appears to have been no coercion or threat.
 
So stuff like Asguard thought of actually happens? That's one of the sadest things I've ever heard.

doubt it. He's just being a drama queen.

Asguard, do you have any links to any of these examples you made up?
 
So stuff like Asguard thought of actually happens? That's one of the sadest things I've ever heard.

I have never heard it happening like that. But some marriages are not based on love, and sometimes one party can coerce the other into signing and marrying them. It can and probably has happened. But I seriously doubt it is as described by Asgaurd.
 
so you think all prenups are fair and equitable in there signing?
No. However, each party should be smart enough to consult their own lawyer prior to signing.

you dont think either partner has more power than the other right?
zero cohersion?
To avoid dealing with the confusion of the implied double negative, I will just state that, yes, sometimes one partner has more power than the other,


It would seem to me that there is abuse on both sides of the prenup / lack thereof argument. Perhaps the fairest? / most nearly fair? agreements are those that:

1. Take into account assets accumulated prior to marriage (meaning prior to long term relationships in the case of people who are together for years before actually getting married). In other words, if your Grandmother bequeathed you 10,000,000 dollars, pounds, whatever, 20 years before you get married, my view is that the other person is not deserving of half (or any given percentage) of this inheritance.
2. If the wife (not to be sexist, but assuming the majority of cases) has not worked, but rather stayed home, raised kids and played homemaker, than they should be compensated after divorce, because she was denied the opportunity to accumulate her own assets.
3. Perhaps a “sliding scale” – the longer you go in a relationship, the more claim to a settlement approaching 50/50 – might make sense.

However, in spite of this, if two competent adults enter into a contract and are reasonably informed as to the potential consequences, then that contract stands. Period.

Having said that, there is certainly a plethora of examples demonstrating extreme injustice from either party’s view. The system needs revision, but how?

A radical idea that I have seen proposed from time to time is the concept of “contract marriages”. This involves the idea of a marriage contract lasting for a term – say 5 years, 10 years, etc. with automatic renewal if the contractual clause to terminate is not invoked. I believe I could even make a case for this type of arrangement reducing divorce rates – e.g. “I am so mad at you right now, I want a divorce, but we only have six months left on our contract, so let’s wait until then.” Perhaps by the time six months have passed, the couple will have reconciled, therefore “one less divorce”, at least for now.

Anyway, the current system needs revision. I have personally been a (potential) victim of a “gold – digger”, in that she filed for divorced 6 months and one day after our wedding. You have to be married for 6 months in the particular state I live in to have claim to the ‘marital estate’. I could go into an entire rant about that whole episode, but this is not the time nor place.

Again, I don’t claim to have all the answers, but I do believe strongly that the current system is deficient by many different measurements.
 
Empowerment, and a note on sanctity

Ah, the "sanctity" of marriage.

Asguard, I think part of the question about prenups that feminists target is the issue of empowerment. In this case, a man who was well-empowered cut his own balls off. In most of the prenup disputes I've heard feminists clock in on, a well-empowered male required his wife to sign a questionable prenup.

In the context of contract law, the questions center around specific issues, like whether there is a "conscionable" standard in play. If the disempowered party signs to a bizarre prenup, that tends to fare more toward reneging the deal. If a well-empowered party cuts its own throat, though?

In the end, a settlement can easily be reached. He makes part of the payment now, continues to use the rest of his funds to make his fortune grow again (he's obviously capable of working with money) and pay off the rest in stages or installments.

Or if he can demonstrate to the court that he was disempowered enough to be taken advantage of at the time that he signed the contract, the whole thing should be thrown out and a community-property (or otherwise applicable) settlement mandated by the court.

I know that you recognize empowerment in other aspects of society. And I do confess that, while we tend to find agreement on many, many issues, this part of your outlook on women and feminism does puzzle me. I don't think it's necessarily without its systematic justifications, but, while I might still disagree with them if I understood them, I can't figure out what they are. It's selective, at least, and sometimes looks nearly arbitrary.
 
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