Humans, apes and dogs

wellwisher

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This is all hypothetical and unproven, but I thought it would be an interesting and unique angle to discuss.

The main premise is the evolutionary role of dogs on separating humans from apes. If you look at humans and dogs, these two species have many things in common that are different than human and apes. Dogs are good team players, who are also able to learn jobs level skills in which they can become self sufficient (herding, security, hunting, etc.). This is not the ape forte. Apes are too lazy to do a job. The premise is interactions with dogs altered the lazy ape.

Here is a scenario. The split in the ape tree of evolution, into pre-humans and the "other", was indirectly assisted by dogs, via one branch copying behavior that would make it possible for the pre-human branch to migrate and trive like the dogs.

Instead of a random mutation, watching the dog packs hunting showed the migratory pre-humans skills for strategy they would not learn from the lazy apes. This aliance may have resulted in their be driven away, since the apes are more clannish than animal cosmopolitian dogs.
 
That would be fine, except that dogs were domesticated far more recently (approx. 32,000 years) than the arrival of intelligent hominid species (approx 2-3 million years).
 
The premise was not the domestication of dogsm but cooperation between one stable (dog) and one emerging (pre-human) species.
 
Except that it wasn't like that, since humans arrived before dogs. As Spidergoat has pointed out.
 
I think he is suggesting that apes were inspired by dogs to invent coordinated social activity. I suggest that the invention of hunting by humans, assisted by the invention of stone tools, led directly to cooperative hunting behavior and sharing of large kills. We act like dog packs because we learned to occupy the same role in the food chain, that of top predator.
 
wellwisher said:
Apes are too lazy to do a job. The premise is interactions with dogs altered the lazy ape.
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Something similar could be true for apes as well:
Perhaps they weren't always lazy, but association with some lazy species made them so!


Ah, the lengths that pseudo-evolutionists must go to to explain things ... :eek:
 
Many primative cultures worship nature and look to the animals for inspiration in terms of their unique abilities. The lion is the king of the jungle. To them, you don't own the animal, rather the animals might accept you. The net result is a perspective of learning and not self imposition (domestication). When animals are not threatened they become easier to approach and easier to learn from.

Indians will honor given animals by taking their name; Sitting Bull, or Flying Eagle. They try to assimulate the essense of these natural animals both inwardly and outwardly; head dress of feathers. One begins to see similarities between human and animal in terms of who they relate to nature. The prehumans were no longer the lazy ape, but learned to follow the herds along with their canine neighbors.
 
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