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How long does the American empire have?
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I’m not arrogant!
Most American citizens are though.
Most American citizens are though.
Sino Pax
The US has enjoyed over 10 years of total hegemony worldwide. The end of the USSR and the begining of the Globalization movement has cemented American power worldwide. If you go to almost any country and their trade partners the US is almost ways on that list. The US gained this power, and in certain respects deserved it. The end of the Nazi threat the US had gained the momentum to move foward to superpowerdom, the chain of events would assist the US to reach powers never seen before, the fall of the Franco- English empires world. The collapse of European fascism, the growing dependance of first world states on the US. But after 50 years of gorwth and relative prosperity seems to be coming to a halt.
The US is by all measure of the word capitalist. And this will very system will spell the end of not only the US but the G8. The Japanese were the first to experiance the effects of stag-deflation. Now the economies of Europe seem to headed down the same route. Why? simple a country can only expand economicly so much. Eventually you reach the breaking point, and the US is reaching it. The "American" corporations aren't paying tax since they have their HQ's in the Cayman's, the exportation of jobs to the 3rd world has left millions of Americans out of jobs. The once coveted hi-tech industry which was the future of the US are also quickly leaving to the big daddy of them all...
CHINA! She is going to replace the US hegemony in 50 years time. The US will still have a formidable economy and military but China will double the US in every respect, GDP, Population (4x), and instead of Asian states depending on the US, China will replace the US. The massive growth of the middle class in China (300 million) has surprised many. The growth of China in terms of economic growth has even overshadowed the "glorious 30 years" of the west. With her economic expansion posed to go to the interior (through projects the three gorges dam). The country will expand even further, the new New York, Shanghai reminds many of the American city back in the 20's. Even SARS hasn't been able to quell the Giant, with 5.8% this quarter. The US is only feeding this giant with billions worth of investment and eventually digging her own hole, but if the US wouldn't do that , Capitalist doctrine would have made the US poorer for it. The thing that helped the US gain power will take it away, Capitalism.
(live by the sword, die by the sword)
The US has enjoyed over 10 years of total hegemony worldwide. The end of the USSR and the begining of the Globalization movement has cemented American power worldwide. If you go to almost any country and their trade partners the US is almost ways on that list. The US gained this power, and in certain respects deserved it. The end of the Nazi threat the US had gained the momentum to move foward to superpowerdom, the chain of events would assist the US to reach powers never seen before, the fall of the Franco- English empires world. The collapse of European fascism, the growing dependance of first world states on the US. But after 50 years of gorwth and relative prosperity seems to be coming to a halt.
The US is by all measure of the word capitalist. And this will very system will spell the end of not only the US but the G8. The Japanese were the first to experiance the effects of stag-deflation. Now the economies of Europe seem to headed down the same route. Why? simple a country can only expand economicly so much. Eventually you reach the breaking point, and the US is reaching it. The "American" corporations aren't paying tax since they have their HQ's in the Cayman's, the exportation of jobs to the 3rd world has left millions of Americans out of jobs. The once coveted hi-tech industry which was the future of the US are also quickly leaving to the big daddy of them all...
CHINA! She is going to replace the US hegemony in 50 years time. The US will still have a formidable economy and military but China will double the US in every respect, GDP, Population (4x), and instead of Asian states depending on the US, China will replace the US. The massive growth of the middle class in China (300 million) has surprised many. The growth of China in terms of economic growth has even overshadowed the "glorious 30 years" of the west. With her economic expansion posed to go to the interior (through projects the three gorges dam). The country will expand even further, the new New York, Shanghai reminds many of the American city back in the 20's. Even SARS hasn't been able to quell the Giant, with 5.8% this quarter. The US is only feeding this giant with billions worth of investment and eventually digging her own hole, but if the US wouldn't do that , Capitalist doctrine would have made the US poorer for it. The thing that helped the US gain power will take it away, Capitalism.
(live by the sword, die by the sword)
justiceusa
Registered Senior Member
The link below is a strong indicator of where America is headed.
The transfer of American jobs and production facilities to other countries continues at a rapid pace. Can we exist with an 100% service economy?? not hardly.
http://www.pl.net/6business/nigmai.htm
"Sending jobs and factories to Mexico will help with the illegal immigration problem." NOT SO, the maquilladora factory workers earn an average of $30 per week. And even in Mexico they will still live in poverty within the thin walls of tarpaper shacks with no running water.
The average American works just 12 minutes to earn enough to buy a gallon of milk. The Mexicans working in American owned plants must toil for 2 1/2 hrs to buy a gallon of milk. They work a 48 hour week with no health benifits and if they are injured on the job, tough shit, they have no workmans comp.
We always have high tech to fall back on. Yeah, but high tech what?? High tech garbage trucks driven by illegal immigrants with fake social security cards, who are hauling loads of, cheap worn out foreign produced plastic consumer goods to near capacity landfills !! That won't work either.
Most of our high tech is for sale on the world wide market to the highest bidder. I am amazed at the number of intelligent people who think, "high tech" is going to save our economy, as we are exporting high tech to foreign countries rampantly , while at the same time creating a young generation of undereducated low tech thinkers.
There will be no big nuclear wipe out, hell ExxonMobile would never allow that to happen because they sell to both sides. I am convinced that this country will decline into a two class society with global corporations being our task masters in a new era of peasants and serfdom. This , of course, will only happen if we allow it to.
The transfer of American jobs and production facilities to other countries continues at a rapid pace. Can we exist with an 100% service economy?? not hardly.
http://www.pl.net/6business/nigmai.htm
"Sending jobs and factories to Mexico will help with the illegal immigration problem." NOT SO, the maquilladora factory workers earn an average of $30 per week. And even in Mexico they will still live in poverty within the thin walls of tarpaper shacks with no running water.
The average American works just 12 minutes to earn enough to buy a gallon of milk. The Mexicans working in American owned plants must toil for 2 1/2 hrs to buy a gallon of milk. They work a 48 hour week with no health benifits and if they are injured on the job, tough shit, they have no workmans comp.
We always have high tech to fall back on. Yeah, but high tech what?? High tech garbage trucks driven by illegal immigrants with fake social security cards, who are hauling loads of, cheap worn out foreign produced plastic consumer goods to near capacity landfills !! That won't work either.
Most of our high tech is for sale on the world wide market to the highest bidder. I am amazed at the number of intelligent people who think, "high tech" is going to save our economy, as we are exporting high tech to foreign countries rampantly , while at the same time creating a young generation of undereducated low tech thinkers.
There will be no big nuclear wipe out, hell ExxonMobile would never allow that to happen because they sell to both sides. I am convinced that this country will decline into a two class society with global corporations being our task masters in a new era of peasants and serfdom. This , of course, will only happen if we allow it to.
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How can a American complain? This is America that is what the American people have fought for, captialism. You say or motion the word communism, socialism, etc. a American quickly assoicates that with evil. The sad truth is that Capitalism is just as evil as the other two. The Chronic disease in "Communism" was the lack of competition and thus lack of change incentive, and innovation. In Capitalism the disease is exploitation of the proletitariat classes (mind my socialism). The exportation of American jobs is a sad fact, that Americans are going to have to live with. The country fought for it and now will die for it.
Well, considering the huge amount of debt that this country is in, our global stature and reputation, and our declining economy, i'd say this country is headed straight for shit. China is coming up, and it's coming up fast. In fact, I think the American people don't realize the real competition we have headed for us. All i can say is thank god I still have my German citizenship.
Also, new generations are starting to play a part. Liberalism is growing, and this country is headed for a major change. Our education is at an all time low, our healthcare is sub-par, and the new generations that are rising are going to take a major toll on our future.
Also, new generations are starting to play a part. Liberalism is growing, and this country is headed for a major change. Our education is at an all time low, our healthcare is sub-par, and the new generations that are rising are going to take a major toll on our future.
Nico agreed, Supercapitalism and globalization is our downfall.
3 people claim that that the USofA will be dominated at a specific date, yet I don’t see anyone trying to be that accurate… Ok who voted for that? Also who is the one with the monkey coming out of their butt because America is going to last forever?
3 people claim that that the USofA will be dominated at a specific date, yet I don’t see anyone trying to be that accurate… Ok who voted for that? Also who is the one with the monkey coming out of their butt because America is going to last forever?
justiceusa
Registered Senior Member
WCF
"Nico, agreed Super capitalism and globalization is our downfall"
That makes three of us. Along with globalization we are experiencing a downsizing of the American dream.
Below is an example of high tech globalization
http://meadev.nic.in/ind-ter/for-med/cheap-lab-amr.htm
"Nico, agreed Super capitalism and globalization is our downfall"
That makes three of us. Along with globalization we are experiencing a downsizing of the American dream.
Below is an example of high tech globalization
http://meadev.nic.in/ind-ter/for-med/cheap-lab-amr.htm
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Doublethink!
I believe the divide is getting harder to understand in international economics. Eventually we will see the end of the nation-state as we know it. It won't economicly viable any longer. Already you are seeing the EU essentially becoming a country when she adopts a new constitution, and NAFTA will eventually lead to a bigger USA. The current trend is to consolidate the nations into huge economic and political blocks. Thus making trade in the long run much harder. We saw this in the 20's with currency blocs. These new economic blocs will begin to fight each other until further negoitation will fail. Also the privitization of the state is high on the agenda of many countries, we have seen success' like the UK for the most part, after Thacther, and Raygun began to privitize and de-regulate. The economies began to boom after 1983, but for countries in the thrid world the results haven't been so promisessing. The perfect example is Argentina who even sold her national cemetary! Now look at the mess the country is in! The only country I see being out of a economic bloc is China, (possibly India). Both are poised to replace the west as the main area of production. They both have enough of a population to replace all the west's workers. The Chinese have the best of both worlds. They have capitalism as the official economic policy of the state. Meanwhile maintaining the grip of "communism" to stifle dissent. Capitalism the means and the end.
I believe the divide is getting harder to understand in international economics. Eventually we will see the end of the nation-state as we know it. It won't economicly viable any longer. Already you are seeing the EU essentially becoming a country when she adopts a new constitution, and NAFTA will eventually lead to a bigger USA. The current trend is to consolidate the nations into huge economic and political blocks. Thus making trade in the long run much harder. We saw this in the 20's with currency blocs. These new economic blocs will begin to fight each other until further negoitation will fail. Also the privitization of the state is high on the agenda of many countries, we have seen success' like the UK for the most part, after Thacther, and Raygun began to privitize and de-regulate. The economies began to boom after 1983, but for countries in the thrid world the results haven't been so promisessing. The perfect example is Argentina who even sold her national cemetary! Now look at the mess the country is in! The only country I see being out of a economic bloc is China, (possibly India). Both are poised to replace the west as the main area of production. They both have enough of a population to replace all the west's workers. The Chinese have the best of both worlds. They have capitalism as the official economic policy of the state. Meanwhile maintaining the grip of "communism" to stifle dissent. Capitalism the means and the end.
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justiceusa
Registered Senior Member
The problem with NAFTA is that it came complete with a third world country which has a totally different ethnic and social structure than the other two.
Ok who are the hair brains that voted “Never…” ok that impossible, the earth will not exist in 5-6 billion years after the sun has gone nova, so the USofA will NOT last forever!
Well if you use the cyclical theory then for the United States to fall something new has to arrise. Whats the new thing?
I would say Globalization. No more borders the only diffrent from one nation and the other are just minor laws and perks.
If the US collapses in on itself I would say what would cause it is lawsuits like McDonalds hot coffee lady.
I would say Globalization. No more borders the only diffrent from one nation and the other are just minor laws and perks.
If the US collapses in on itself I would say what would cause it is lawsuits like McDonalds hot coffee lady.
Yes Globalization is the next empire though technically its going to be between China and the EU on which is the most powerful economically, technologically and militarily. Because all the 1st and 2nd world countries will be so interconnect by supercapitalism wars will be a thing of the past between these countries.
AS for OPEC, its got about 2-5 years to act, before Iraq starts gushing 5 or more million barrels of oil a day. But will they? Can tehy sell a cut in income to tehir populaitons as a way of attacking the USA? hhmmm. Then I also heard that opec were waiting for the UK to join the Euro before changing to use Euros, which i can see almost making sense, but there is no way the Uk is going to the Euro for years and years yet.
I wouldnt call globalisation the next empire. And moreover, the shape of the first global country or whatever you want to call it, is still up for grabs.
I wouldnt call globalisation the next empire. And moreover, the shape of the first global country or whatever you want to call it, is still up for grabs.
Okay, firstly OPEC leaders won't have to sell anything to their populations - most are heridetary monarchies, and those that aren't still don't have to - when, after all, was the last time the US president had to sell a change in foreign policy to each and every US citizen?
And the UK is considering a shift to the euro right now.
Well, firstly, have you not heard the rumbles in audi and iran, abtou reform? The USA now has Qatar to use as a base, but i was under the distinct impression that Saudi Arabia had lots of youngsters growing up withlittle job chances, partly because the royal family appopriate so much money. Therefore support for radical islamic groups. I cant say how strong this is, but there is definitely likely to be interesting things going on there.
As for the UK, I live there, and believe me, the gvt appears to want the euro, there are stong lobbies for and against it, and the vast majority of us sitting there saying "will someone please tell us whats going on?" The debate is characterised by polarisation, stupidity etc, see for example the Sun newspaper, let alone the pro camp. The basic fact is that it is impossible to say with much certainty that going into the euro will be good or bad for the UK. There are so many assumptions and variables that I sometimes wish both sides will just shut up.
As for the UK, I live there, and believe me, the gvt appears to want the euro, there are stong lobbies for and against it, and the vast majority of us sitting there saying "will someone please tell us whats going on?" The debate is characterised by polarisation, stupidity etc, see for example the Sun newspaper, let alone the pro camp. The basic fact is that it is impossible to say with much certainty that going into the euro will be good or bad for the UK. There are so many assumptions and variables that I sometimes wish both sides will just shut up.
justiceusa
Registered Senior Member
Salty
"If the US collapes in on itself I would say what whould cause it is lawsuits like the McDonalds hot coffee lady."
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You might want to add something more realistic to that statement , like the dishonesty of companies like Enron, Global Crossing, and Worldcom.
All of the product liability lawsuits for the last centruy , added together, only make a drop in the bucket compared with the losses suffered by Enron shareholders alone.
"If the US collapes in on itself I would say what whould cause it is lawsuits like the McDonalds hot coffee lady."
_________________________________________________
You might want to add something more realistic to that statement , like the dishonesty of companies like Enron, Global Crossing, and Worldcom.
All of the product liability lawsuits for the last centruy , added together, only make a drop in the bucket compared with the losses suffered by Enron shareholders alone.
The problem with NAFTA is that it came complete with a third world country which has a totally different ethnic and social structure than the other two.
That's not a problem, which countries are the most Americanized? The thrid world. The 3rd world is the easiest to manipulate out of any countries, with a country like Mexico with close to 200 million people we are seeing a fate for Mexico to be linked to the US life and limb. To bring up Mexico to 1st world is actually detremental to NAFTA in a sense because it would mean that the population actually would expect to get paid move then $2/hr, benefits, etc. The economic benefits of NAFTA for the most part would disappear. Thus if Mexico's GDP per capita would be equal that of let's say Canada 1990: $19,600 you would have a market bit you wouldn't have a cheap work force, and the same thing would happen Mexico's border region to what is happening to the American rust belt. Rwanda sounds good!
That's not a problem, which countries are the most Americanized? The thrid world. The 3rd world is the easiest to manipulate out of any countries, with a country like Mexico with close to 200 million people we are seeing a fate for Mexico to be linked to the US life and limb. To bring up Mexico to 1st world is actually detremental to NAFTA in a sense because it would mean that the population actually would expect to get paid move then $2/hr, benefits, etc. The economic benefits of NAFTA for the most part would disappear. Thus if Mexico's GDP per capita would be equal that of let's say Canada 1990: $19,600 you would have a market bit you wouldn't have a cheap work force, and the same thing would happen Mexico's border region to what is happening to the American rust belt. Rwanda sounds good!
justiceusa
Registered Senior Member
Nico
But Mexico being a third world country is a problem. We have always been able to manipulate Mexico so that is not a factor.
We had expected Mexico's economy to improve with NAFTA, so that we could also "sell goods to them". That didn't happen. If the Mexican economy had improved the immigrants would not be flocking across the border at a rate of 2,000 per day.
To make matters worse many of the maquilodora plants are now closing and the jobs are being sent to Asia where there is an even cheaper labor market.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0411-01.htm
But Mexico being a third world country is a problem. We have always been able to manipulate Mexico so that is not a factor.
We had expected Mexico's economy to improve with NAFTA, so that we could also "sell goods to them". That didn't happen. If the Mexican economy had improved the immigrants would not be flocking across the border at a rate of 2,000 per day.
To make matters worse many of the maquilodora plants are now closing and the jobs are being sent to Asia where there is an even cheaper labor market.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0411-01.htm