Dear Tomasito,
It appears you completely avoided a small paragraph I had written, which I do think deserves your recognition or denial. I shall requote it for you now, and ask that you make comment on it:
The reason I don't just jump up and say "hell exists!", is for the very same reason I don't just jump up and say "There's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!". I will leave it upto you to figure out the point here.
Do you understand the concept of this? Would you consider gold at the end of the rainbow nonsense? If you say yes, don't look upon it as hostile, because it isn't. But do tell me why you would regard gold at the end of the rainbow as nonsense, but not a golden city in the clouds as nonsense.
Is it because this heaven of yours was written about by ancient people? Does that somehow make it more valid? What about all the other ancient texts that describe other 'places' a person goes to once they're dead? Are they also nonsense because they contradict the biblical version, or indeed other texts that state we don't go anywhere once we're dead, except into a wooden box in the ground?
You call my use of the word nonsense as hostility, but in your post haven't you just labelled any athiest's non-belief in heaven/hell as nonsense? You even went so far as to use the word 'fact' in a place it doesn't belong.
is that what open-minded or tolerance means
Well if you were open minded on this issue, you wouldn't be using the word 'fact' where it doesn't belong. You also wouldn't be denying the possibility that there is no heaven/hell. Personally, I rely on evidence - and as such heaven/hell rank lowest on my scale of possibilites, right under tooth fairies.
As for tolerance.. I'm tolerant enough not to tell you how childish and annoying the use of CAPS are. I'm also tolerant enough not to come and slap the stupidity out of you, however that doesn't stop me from disagreeing with your statements, especially when you have no evidence to suggest their reality.
most who hate to hear those talk about hell, dismiss the believers as intolerant with no open-minds.
Maybe those who believe such a place exists. However, I simply call it 'nonsense', along with the abominable snowman, pixies and mermaids. Furthermore, you couldn't regard yourself as a "believer" - you called it 'fact'. As such you must know it's there, (probably saw it on some school field trip or something), and in saying that, 'belief' is a defunct word.
Finally snake lord this might burn you Snake lord. "There is no other name given to man-kind by which they can be saved but the name of Jesus."
Says who?
Saved from what? From the coming fiery lake of fire desrved for the ungodly; witches,fornicators,adulteres,homosexuals,haters of God and the like.
You should read the Malleus Maleficarum. I can only imagine how much fun you would have had if you were alive during the inquisition.
You know... estimates of the death toll caused by the Christians during the inquistion range from 600,000 to a massive 9 million. I wonder how many of those deaths you would have caused with your self-righteous views. So much for this "open mind and tolerance", you were talking about just a minute ago. Did Jesus tell you to hate queers, witches and adulterers? Do you think you're better than queers, witches and adulterers? How could you ever promote love on this planet when you have these strange preconceptions about the rest of humanity?
I said: "Still, I bet your "no more pain, death, sickness" nonsense, helps you sleep easier at night."
You said: "GET SAVED AND YOU WON"T NEED TO FEAR OR DISAPPROVE HELL.
(I don't fear death as to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. To the beliver death is a doorway to the afterlife where no sorrow exists.)"
Thank you for making my point.
