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Well it's dependent on what service your using and of course ISP, the main point is to work out what is compatible with the ISP you intend to use, otherwise your going to get rid of one problem and replace it with another.
Rather than Asking you who your ISP is or where you are, I decided to skip that by using an IP lookup (since us Moderators can do that on occasion, Hope thats not a problem.)
By the looks of it your currently using Tiscali and are in the UK which cuts down some of the main problems that would occur trying to explain settings elsewhere on the planet.
In the UK British telecom uses PPPoA for it's ASDL communications. a breakdown of PPPoA is "Point-to-Point Protocol over Asynchronous Transfer Mode", it can also be refered to PPPoATM. (Other Countries can use different methods based upon their exchanges.)
This means any DSL-Modem/Router you go for that connects over a BT network will require PPPoA compatibility. (This is not the same when you talk about Cable, since Cable connections are more like connecting to the LAN than a dialup modem.)
With BT networks they use a CHAP authentication process and a setting of "VPI: 0" and "VCI: 38", and an "AAL5 Encapsulation of VcMUX".
VPI stands for "Virtual Path Identifier" and VCI stands for "Virtual Circuit Identifier". Since the current BT network is used by third parties selling their own brands of ASDL, the VCI number could be different if you used Tiscalli since "38" I believe points at BT's networks. (Note: putting a wrong number in doesn't grant you access to someone elses network)
There is of course a bit more to it than just numbering different networks, but I'm not that gifted with either the engineering technical knowledge of this subject or the time and effort hunting the info down. (Feel free to add to the explanation though)
Resources:
Cisco PDF on PPPoA Architecture
(http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/pppoa_arch.html)
Settings for Tascali
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/help/broadband/router_settings.html
Looking at those settings suggests a MENTOR MR4A/UK ASDL Modem/Router is compatible.
This DLink one is also compatible:
http://www.savastore.com/products/product.asp?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10275341&pid=1
Netgear DG834 ADSL Modem/Router/Switch/Firewall (also compatible)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Conventional_115.html
There are some Cheap ASDLModem/Routers but they only have 1x Ethernet port (Thats why they are cheap)
Rather than Asking you who your ISP is or where you are, I decided to skip that by using an IP lookup (since us Moderators can do that on occasion, Hope thats not a problem.)
By the looks of it your currently using Tiscali and are in the UK which cuts down some of the main problems that would occur trying to explain settings elsewhere on the planet.
In the UK British telecom uses PPPoA for it's ASDL communications. a breakdown of PPPoA is "Point-to-Point Protocol over Asynchronous Transfer Mode", it can also be refered to PPPoATM. (Other Countries can use different methods based upon their exchanges.)
This means any DSL-Modem/Router you go for that connects over a BT network will require PPPoA compatibility. (This is not the same when you talk about Cable, since Cable connections are more like connecting to the LAN than a dialup modem.)
With BT networks they use a CHAP authentication process and a setting of "VPI: 0" and "VCI: 38", and an "AAL5 Encapsulation of VcMUX".
VPI stands for "Virtual Path Identifier" and VCI stands for "Virtual Circuit Identifier". Since the current BT network is used by third parties selling their own brands of ASDL, the VCI number could be different if you used Tiscalli since "38" I believe points at BT's networks. (Note: putting a wrong number in doesn't grant you access to someone elses network)
There is of course a bit more to it than just numbering different networks, but I'm not that gifted with either the engineering technical knowledge of this subject or the time and effort hunting the info down. (Feel free to add to the explanation though)
Resources:
Cisco PDF on PPPoA Architecture
(http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/pppoa_arch.html)
Settings for Tascali
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/help/broadband/router_settings.html
Looking at those settings suggests a MENTOR MR4A/UK ASDL Modem/Router is compatible.
This DLink one is also compatible:
http://www.savastore.com/products/product.asp?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10275341&pid=1
Netgear DG834 ADSL Modem/Router/Switch/Firewall (also compatible)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Conventional_115.html
There are some Cheap ASDLModem/Routers but they only have 1x Ethernet port (Thats why they are cheap)
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Yeah i got tiscali right now but i'm gonna change to someone called topletter next month. They're a lot cheaper than tiscali and BT. Here's their site:
http://www.topletter.com
I heard about those Netgear DG8 series modem/routers. They tend to be sold for a pretty high price on ebay. Usually about £40-£60. They get good reviews aswell.
I bought the linksys router for £26 in total including p&p. I went for the linksys one cos it was in my price range and it had a built in switch. Sometimes you have to buy a separate hub/switch as some routers dont come with extras.
Plus, i already had a modem and was trying to make use of it so i wouldn't need to sell it but it looks likely that i'll have to sell it now.
http://www.topletter.com
I heard about those Netgear DG8 series modem/routers. They tend to be sold for a pretty high price on ebay. Usually about £40-£60. They get good reviews aswell.
I bought the linksys router for £26 in total including p&p. I went for the linksys one cos it was in my price range and it had a built in switch. Sometimes you have to buy a separate hub/switch as some routers dont come with extras.
Plus, i already had a modem and was trying to make use of it so i wouldn't need to sell it but it looks likely that i'll have to sell it now.
Actually, i wanted to ask you somethin else aswell. Can't i buy a cable or a converter/fitting that converts my RJ-11 cable from the microfilter into a RJ-45 plug?
I know that its unlikely that there will be a cable that has an RJ-11 at one end of the cable and a RJ-45 plug at the other end as the RJ-45 cable has 8 wires and the RJ-11, 2 wires. But, i believe that it may be possible to find a converter that does this job. Any ideas?
I know that its unlikely that there will be a cable that has an RJ-11 at one end of the cable and a RJ-45 plug at the other end as the RJ-45 cable has 8 wires and the RJ-11, 2 wires. But, i believe that it may be possible to find a converter that does this job. Any ideas?
Looking at who you are going with suggests they would be using the same settings as Tiscali and BT, which means those Routers previously mentioned are compatible.
As for RJ-11 to RJ-45, I don't think thats possible just by cables, because the Modem that would connect to the microfilter has to deal with the protocol, which your router at the end of the RJ-45 won't be dealing with. (In otherwords I think a connection like that would be a waste of time)
As for RJ-11 to RJ-45, I don't think thats possible just by cables, because the Modem that would connect to the microfilter has to deal with the protocol, which your router at the end of the RJ-45 won't be dealing with. (In otherwords I think a connection like that would be a waste of time)
Sorry to bring this subject up again. I have'nt been able to find anything cheap until now. I sold my Speedtouch ADSL Modem and my Linksys Cable/DSL Router. I've found a Modem/Router thats within my price range. This is the link from Ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5706363196&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT
I also e-mailed the guy thats selling them and this is what he told me. "yes it has 4 rj-45 ports, 1 usb port, 1 rj-11 port, power supply, cd driver, ethernet cable, adsl modem cable and quick instalation guide".
I just want you to confirm that this Modem/Router is compatible with my ADSL line. As it is significantly cheaper then Netgear and Etec modem/routers. It looks OK to me. (And I dropped my idea of buying a USB - RJ-45 converter.)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5706363196&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT
I also e-mailed the guy thats selling them and this is what he told me. "yes it has 4 rj-45 ports, 1 usb port, 1 rj-11 port, power supply, cd driver, ethernet cable, adsl modem cable and quick instalation guide".
I just want you to confirm that this Modem/Router is compatible with my ADSL line. As it is significantly cheaper then Netgear and Etec modem/routers. It looks OK to me. (And I dropped my idea of buying a USB - RJ-45 converter.)
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It looks compatible, it has apparently both PPP over ATM (which is needed in the UK when dealing with BT lines which all providers other than cable use) and PPP over Ethernet (Which could mean Cable use as well)
You just have to note if you get it and it doesn't seem to connect, it doesn't necessarily mean that your equipments wrong it can actually mean that one error has caused your connect upline at the exchange to fault, and it usually takes up to 45mins for the systems there to reset themselves for another attempt. (I'm telling you that in advance to lower the tension of connection
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You just have to note if you get it and it doesn't seem to connect, it doesn't necessarily mean that your equipments wrong it can actually mean that one error has caused your connect upline at the exchange to fault, and it usually takes up to 45mins for the systems there to reset themselves for another attempt. (I'm telling you that in advance to lower the tension of connection
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