. You don't like the "blacks - sport" correlation, ok, let's use the more specific one, "African people from the west coast and congo forest area can run fast and jump high", and "Ethiopian and Kenyan east coast area seems to harbor a genetic population of excellent distance runners". From a scientific point of view, this is good - because it is more specific, so the correlation will be usually higher. "Asians - math" you don't like, and reject it with the point that one needs separate correlations for "Laotians, Hmong, Malaysians, Inuit, Hawaiians". From a scientific point of view - fine, such a more specialized study would give much better correlations about which Asians - Chinese or Malaysians - are really good in math.
All of this is nonsense - I don't "reject" any of those correlations. I accepted them all, and considered a couple in detail. I reject the dumbass arguments these guys are trying to make from them.
Meanwhile, you are as always lacking information: the Malaysian/Chinese comment was about IQ, not math - the poster I was replying to had posted a map of IQ scores at one time, and then proceeded to make racial IQ claims his map (and common knowledge) contradicted.
In other words, all you propose as long as you make reasonable remarks are improvements of the stereotypes - to replace them with better, stronger stereotypes.
Nope.
But you sell this as a rejection of the "stereotypes" you fight.
I don't "fight" any stereotypes, I observe that they do not support arguments in this thread
And combine this with the usual nonsense a la "Ask any US "Asian" who isn't good at math." as if the stereotype would tell us that all Asians are good in math.
The US stereotype does in fact operate - among the bigoted, who are its only employers in the US - as bias toward assuming all Asians are good at math. And if you talk to Asians who aren't, this has often caused them some awkwardness, etc - the bigotry of it is obvious to them. I was responding to the claim that such racial presumptions were not bigotries, because they were complimentary or something like that.
What your opponents disagree with is the thesis that this negative effect explains a lot about the actual situation of blacks in the US.
Yep. It's called "denial" - but of course of the actual effects of actual white racism over centuries, which are obvious and flagrant and ongoing, not your childish description of some people hating each other.
They think there is a lower IQ of blacks, and that it is not, or at least not completely caused by racism, so that it will remain even without any racism, and this will continue to have negative influence on the success of the average black in whatever society as long as other races have equal rights. This position remains reasonable without any denial of negative influence of white racism on blacks.
I would agree with that position, at least grant it credibility. But that's not their position.
The key observation is that the races involved have not had "equal rights" and so forth, very far from it;
that the degree of background or uninfluenced IQ handicap is not known and by good evidence is not nearly as large as the visible injury;
and that the effects of white racism are suitably large and blatantly visible;
so that their actual position is not in fact reasonable given the actual circumstances at hand.
You claim "denial of the effects of white racism on black people in the US". - - - your opponents have no logical reason to deny this.
I have never claimed that these guys - or you - have any logical reasons for their massive and flagrant denial.
Will you be harmed if a majority of the population hates you? Some people become stronger having more enemies, but these are exceptions, in general the result of a negative reaction of a majority will be negative. I doubt any of your opponents has any problem accepting this point, and have not seen clear statements which would support the claim that somebody denies this.
You have no idea how racism works in the US, but you insist on posting your silly little dissembling fantasies. That's your brand.
Because you know that such "stereotype" correlations exist (you have proposed some yourself, with "Ethiopian and Kenyan east coast area seems to harbor a genetic population of excellent distance runners") but nonetheless you fight them in general, personal attacks of "bigotry" inclusive.
Those are not "stereotype correlations" (?) in the US, where all those populations are racially black alike. Obama, for example, is associated with basketball rather than distance running.
You appear to have an incorrect sense of the meaning of "stereotype", btw.
You have a nice technique, but it does not change the facts you want to deny
I'm not denying any facts. You can't list a single fact denied by me in this thread, or on this forum.
What is on the other side? You claim "denial of the effects of white racism on black people in the US". I have not seen much evidence for this,
Your blindness and ignorance in US racial matters is well known and thoroughly established - you really needn't post any more such claims of what you can and can't "see".
If you want yet another example of one of these bizarre denials, here:
Maybe you missed it? Thomas Sowell did the actual research and has been doing the research since the 1970s. The answer you're looking for is this: There's no significant effect of White Racism.
Whatever you get from your wingnut videos, that always turns into mush and nonsense in written prose, it makes you happy for bad reasons.
Denial - it's not just a river in Egypt.
