History of the Holocaust

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1. How many people died at the hands of the Nazis?
2. How was the religious identity of the victims determined?
3. What are the records used to study the holocaust?
4. Who kept these records?
5. How was the authenticity of the records determined?
6. What is the evidence supporting the desire of Germans to eliminate the Jewish population?
7. Where did the 6 million figure come from?
8. Which records are available to the public?
9. What is the evidence of the methods used by the Nazis?
10. What efforts were made to compensate other victims of the Nazis?

note: I am not denying the holocaust or its popular narrative. I am interested in the factual information available for discrete analysis.
 
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Answering these questions in detail would require a book. I suggest you go out and buy one. There are plenty.
 
Doesn't matter, if the books are valid ones and I can obtain them. They will make for good discussion.

I read about this the other day, on another forum and found it curious.

I won't put up the ad described since its a taboo subject, but I am interested enough in the clampdown to take a look at the questions asked.
 
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I think it's perfectly fair to question details of the holocaust, that doesn't equate to denial as far as I see it. Maybe the number of dead is closer to 5 million rather than 6 million, maybe it's actually even higher than previously thought. Nothing wrong with asking questions and then seeking out high quality objective evidence, of which there seems to be no shortage. What perplexes me is that you can show this much interest in studying the details of the holocaust and trying to verify or dispute them, yet how much critical analysis have you ever applied to a book like the Quran, whose historical accuracy would be infinitely more questionable and unsubstantiated by comparison? I'm not trying to derail this thread into an argument about Islam, it's just a thought that occurred to me on the spot just now.
 
It only perplexes you because
1. you haven't read my discussions about Islam here
2. your assumptions about me are not my problem.
 
Obviously I haven't read all 61,000 of your posts, so I wouldn't know how much you question one thing or another. I just wanted to know if you've put the kind of effort into questioning your most cherished beliefs that you put into questioning details about an event like the holocaust, especially considering the fact that the holocaust was a relatively recent event which can be tested and cross-examined from an almost limitless number of angles.
 
I wouldn't know how much you question one thing or another
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Indeed, you wouldn't. Got any good sources for the OP? I wish to avoid the holocaust industry and focus on original sources, whats the best place to start?
 
What kind of sources are you looking for? If you want to look hard enough, I'm sure you can even contact former NAZI concentration camp guards in person and ask them for yourself. Have you ever bothered to ask around at one of your local universities' history departments? Or what about the departments of religious studies? Why not go straight to the experts instead of just looking for whatever pops up on Google?
 
But again, I must remark, I just find it real strange how recent, verifiable events get questioned and studied with such veracity, but ancient unverifiable events don't. Please point me to an old thread of yours where you ask these kinds of questions about Islam SAM, I'm honestly just curious to see how you approach these things.
 
The holocaust is not a big deal in India. I'll look to see if there are any academic departments here but none pop to the mind atm. Isn't there any source that is recommended for academic resources online?

edit: I don't usually ask questions about Islam, I answer them. I spent five years in Saudi Arabia and have a pretty good base in the religion. If you are curious enough, the search function is your friend.
 
SAM:

You might want to try:

DENYING HISTORY: WHO SAYS THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED
AND WHY DO THEY SAY IT?
by Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman
University of California Press

This will answer all of the questions above, and contains references to many other sources you can then follow up yourself.
 
Does it contain original sources? I prefer to look at original sources rather than someone's opinion of what they say.

Never mind:

Shermer and Grobman through this book reveal that Holocaust Denial is not skepticism, and that the revisionists are not being genuinely skeptical. Honest skepticism involves an inquisitive attitude which, as far as is humanly possible, is not marred by political or ethnic prejudices. Skepticism also involves a willingness to follow the evidence wherever it leads, rather than ignoring that which does not fit preconceived desires.
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I think those two statements taken together are very informative about the slant of the book.

Anyone else?
 
No general book on something like the holocaust contains original sources.

Original sources may be found in various libraries in Germany and in government archives. Have a nice trip.
 
SAM:

Scholars who want primary sources always have to look in libraries and archives of various kinds. You may also want to personally interview some holocaust survivors, who are among the best sources of oral histories. Since many of them are dead, I suggest you look at the Shoah Foundation archive of video and sound recordings of various stories.

link to Shoah Foundation
 
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