Ivan Seeking
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Hello. UFOs. Assertion #1: There's something real going on
My first of many posts I believe. Just saying hello.
My first of many posts I believe. Just saying hello.
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Originally posted by sargentlard
Now add substance to this thread of yours and we'd have a deal......
Welcome.
Originally posted by Teri
I'm interested in looking at your links but it's been a while since I've had one of those messages saying that the site might not be safe and do I trust the source - so my question is do I save it or just open it and hope for the best?
Cheers
Teri
Originally posted by whitewolf
A warm welcome to you.
(for geniuses like sarge: the greeting and introduction is substantial)
Originally posted by sargentlard
Now add substance to this thread of yours and we'd have a deal......
Welcome.
Originally posted by Xevious
I hope you can fence well with skeptics. I've really needed some backup.
Originally posted by 2inquisitive
Ivan, I would like to say thanks for posting your links. The documents
are a good piece of circumstancial evidence. I think that may be a
reason for the lack of responces. A true skeptic does not see them
as PROOF that UFOs exist AND are of unearthly orgin. Speculation
or theories are more easily challenged, but it would seem almost
impossible to discount the validity of the documents themselves.
It would also be very hard to offer a reasonable alternative explaination for the objects themselves, other than to speculate
that the witnesses themselves misrepresented the facts. More
solid circumstancial evidence may cause some people not aware
of the extent of what is available to wonder if there may be
something to the UFO phenomenon after all. Some would need
a personal ride in a UFO piloted by aliens to accept their reality.
After all, some people still insist we never went to the moon. I
think material should be presented and everyone should be free
to form their own opinions based on their own level of acceptance.
I, myself, am quite skeptical of a lot of the speculation and claims
made on many UFO websites, but do believe it is likely we are
and have been visited by beings and probes not from earth. My
opinions are just that, my own opinions based on my personal level
of acceptance of much material from books, online sources and
even some TV specials. The Iran incident is considered one of
the more credible reports.
A true skeptic does not see them as PROOF that UFOs exist AND are of unearthly orgin. Speculation or theories are more easily challenged, but it would seem almost impossible to discount the validity of the documents themselves.
Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
Ask and ye shall receive:
http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/ufo20.pdf
Also:
"Now You See It, Now You Don't" by Captain Henry S. Shields, HQ USAFE/INOMP
Joint Chiefs of Staff report concerning the sighting of a UFO in Iran on 19 September 1976,
Originally posted by SkinWalker
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Interesting documents. Significant only if the events unfolded as precisely as told by Mckenzie.
Admittedly, I didn't examine the second and third as closely as the Mckenzie memo, but I'll assume they compliment it quite well or you wouldn't have posted them as well.
Questions that I would pose to Mckenzie if I could would be: what were his sources for the narrative? What physical evidence did he, personally, see (radar printouts/recordings, flight recordings of communications, etc.)? Where is this physical evidence now? And perhaps one or two others, based on his answers.
Questions I would like to ask the "powers that be" in DoD would be: why declassify after only 5 to 6 years? Why declassify at all? Wouldn't it be easier to put this off on a meteor/satelite burn in the atmosphere by keeping it secret?
Since it is declassified, we can assume a couple of things... like the DoD regarded it as inconsequential. It is unlikely that any physical remains were discovered. It is possible that the entire event had another, classified, explanation that would better left to a UFO suspicion than the actual truth. Being a strategic location of the cold-war and a volitale region even then, a near nuclear incident with the Warsaw Pact would have been more important to keep secret than a UFO. Not that this is the only, or actual, explanation. It could have been aliens.
We'll probably never know unless some additional documentation becomes available via new declassifications at some point in the future. Still, it seems unlikely that the DoD would declassify an actual UFO incident if there was any strong indication that this was the cause.
Also, it is still just so much anecdotal account. Even the 'hard evidence' cited is but an anecdote of someone's observation of it (radar signatures, comms failures, etc.). That so many people had an account of something would indicate that something occured.
Too bad none of those pilots had cameras... actually, it's strange that none had cameras. [/B]