Health Care Bill Debate
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LOL......Yup good old Ontario. They finally cleaned up that Garbage mess in Toronto, but I still think it's a shit hole.
Yes. Our infrastructure is also poorly maintained. So tell me, why would healthcare be any different? With record breaking deficits as far as the eye can see, what makes you think the government will have the money (or the will) to do anything but a shit job on healthcare?
people are focused on it and will not be unfocused on it.
Well there is just one little small thing that you guys keep "forgetting", no one is seriously talking "government takeover" of US healthcare except for those poor pathetic teabagers and dittoheads who have been and continue to be lied to by their leadership.
And the other thing you guys keep "forgeting" is that the whole intent is to make healthcare more productive and reduce healthcare costs by hallf in order to bring us more in line with other industrial nations pay for healthcare. If "socialist" countries like Great Britan, France, Sweden, Norway, Canada, Germany can do it successfuly why can't we? And again no one is seriously proposing a system like any of those countries.
The whole idea here is to reduce costs, bring them more in line with those countries with beter quality metrics and lower cost metrics. I would think deficit hawks would be excited about such a move to contain costs.
No private company can compete with the government. Private firms must turn a profit, or at least break even to survive; whereas the US government can just print money. As to the actual goal of Obama and other supporters of his plan, check out this video.
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LOL......Yup good old Ontario. They finally cleaned up that Garbage mess in Toronto, but I still think it's a shit hole.
You big meanie. Now pay for their symphony orchestras and theatres and Skydomes and stuff and be silent, you malingering pedestrian 905-er. Hmmph!
The only way that can the government alternative can hedge out private insurance is if the government program does it better than private industry. Private industry is supposed to be more nimble, more customer focused, more innovative than government. Let's see if that is indeed true.
Government is also encumbered by plush employee benefits, something you do not see in private enterprise. Obama has said that this public option will be self funded. If it is self funded, they are pretty much on the same competitve ground.
But again, I think you are getting off point a little here. The objective is to get costs more in line with other industrial nations. Improve quality, and make the industry more competitive and transparent.
If Obama wants to move to a single payer system 10 years down the road, he won't be in office. And there is no chance he can move to a single payer system in 8 years, and he knows it. As I said, the only way the nation will go for a single payer system is if the government can be more cost effective and provide better service than that offered by private industry. I am all for the competition. It is long overdue in this industry.
Government is also encumbered by plush employee benefits, something you do not see in private enterprise. Obama has said that this public option will be self funded. If it is self funded, they are pretty much on the same competitve ground.
But again, I think you are getting off point a little here. The objective is to get costs more in line with other industrial nations. Improve quality, and make the industry more competitive and transparent.
If Obama wants to move to a single payer system 10 years down the road, he won't be in office. And there is no chance he can move to a single payer system in 8 years, and he knows it. As I said, the only way the nation will go for a single payer system is if the government can be more cost effective and provide better service than that offered by private industry. I am all for the competition. It is long overdue in this industry.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
No, Government UHC Insurance option can and will hedge out private insurance because it doesn't have to show a profit, any losses are made up out of the Taxpayers pockets, just look at Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.....the program goes tits up and the Government goes into the Taxpayers pockets to make up the short fall, and then when that runs out of money they turn on the printing presses at the Federal Reserve.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
ice, VA isn't a single payer system, it is a Military Health Provider, and a lot of health care in the system is charged to private insurances, the only people who get full coverage are those who have been medically retired due to service connected injuries or health problems, or have retired after 20 years of service, and the government is under contractual obligation to provide health care.
Ups seems to do a good job of it
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
Because UPS doesn't compete with the Federal Government or even the USPS, it is not a general mail delivery provider, it is a package delivery provider.
Do you understand the meaning of "self funded" Buffalo Roam? It means it will pay for itself...like the Post Office. And if it should be mismanaged and need additional funds, heads will roll as their is no political taste for continued fiscal mismanagment in Washington....and rightly so.
Secondly, the nation currently pays in excess of a two trillion dollars on healthcare each year. Of that amount the government pays about a trillion dollars a year in various programs. Wouldn't it be great to cut that cost in half?
So let me get this straight, assuming that government and private industry were equally competitive/efficient and provied the same level of quality but private industry costs were 30 percent higher than government cost because of profits, you would not want to buy the lesser priced insurance nor have it available? You would want the government to pay a 30 percent premium for insurance industry profits? That does not sound fiscally responsible to me. If I can get something cheaper and of the same quality, I am all for it and government should be equaly disposed.
If private industry is as agile and as efficient as it is supposed to be, competing with a big slow government organization should be easy.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
The Post Office paying for it's self? Have you read the papers lately? Have you looked at any GSE of the Government Lately........incredable, just incredable.......Have you looked at Social Security? Medicare?Medicaid?.....joe, none of those systems have made a profit, in point of fact they are a major part of our deficit problems,
They all do the job they were intended to do. And no one gets fucked over by Medicare, like they do with insurance companies, where they change the rules arbitrarily without telling anyone, often leading to fatal outcomes.
You missed the point again. USPS is self funding. Now you are bringing in Medicare and Medicare and Medicade which are not related items. Self funding means it pays for itself. And you are telling me that government is going to out compete private industry...driving them out of business.
You need to get your story straight. Is it that government is such a big bungaler it will not be able to compete or wll it be more competitive and drive private industry out of business. Please choose a storyline and stick to it. You keep going back and forth as you feel the need to do so.
Either government is a bungaler and will not be able to compete or it will. One way or the other, but not both.
Going back to Medicare and Medicaid only medicare is self funded. And right now the Federal Government owes the Medicare Trust Program a lot of money.
By the way, private industry already competes quite well with not for profit healthcare insurers...e.g. Blue Cross Blue Shield.
I completely agree with the state's decision on this one. What if the medicine was $100,000 a day and the data showed it gave the average patient only 2 more months to live? There has to be a cut-off point.