as i was banned for 2 days for calling someone a retard, im going to now make sure that everyone is treated fairly. 
Has European multiculturalism gone too far?
- Thread starter GeoffP
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No I think you have once again made a complete fool out of yourself again , no one is coming to your defence , must suck to be a total nobody .The Devil Inside said:
I'd give you a better answer if I had one. I'm an agnostic's agnostic: I don't think we know how much we don't know.Brian Foley said:
I try to avoid discussing religion because it can easily lead to argument. When I asked you to create a thread in the religion forum, I thought somebody more knowledgeable about comparative religion might answer you. It seems that sciforums doesn't have too many experts in multiple religions though.
You could try another forum though ... maybe this one?
http://www.ephilosopher.com/phpBB_14-action-viewforum-forum-9.html
One of the first google results for religion forum.
And who made you arbiter of all decency, O Chosen One? I was answering Geoff's question about which groups were involved. Read the wiki article if you think I fabricated anything.Brian Foley said:
I don't remember the actual post; I was responding to Devil's quote of you.Brian Foley said:
Already replied to above. If you think I have all the answers you want, sorry, but not true.Brian Foley said:
My suggestion is you either find someone knowledgeable about multiple religions and ask them, or you do a few weeks of good research.
I do, however, remember pointing you to a wiki article which mentioned Mormons having the same belief ... you've already forgotten that?Brian Foley said:
Brian Foley said:
*sits and waits*
keep it up!!
Brian Foley said:
Because it's accurate, that's why.
LMAO - which words are those?? Pathetic, as usual. Tell you what, when I call to send muslims to crematoria, you can call me on it.
You've reneged on everything thus far - you whine for open debate and then ignore evidence you don't like while demanding that your opponents address your childish fantasies, which they do. That's reneging of the highest degree - it's the declining of intellectual honesty.
Absolutely not, everyone has the same opinion. I'd recommend you actually read the Quran.
Geoff
Zephyr said:
Hopefully there's an alternative to multiculturalism besides fascism, or we're all in trouble. But between the world wars and the more recent Balkan troubles, one can see why Europeans would get worried.
Sorry for the slow response. I was out of town... in Europe, actually.
Another evasive answer , I asked the same question to a Canadian Jew on another forum who like yourself was a vigorous defender of Israel , his refused to answer sayting he was not religious . The fact is you are a Zionist and you must be religious therefore you must see yourself as a chosen person of God and Israel is divinely gifted land .Zephyr said:
No I haven’t forgotten because you couldn’t show me where the Mormons actually wrote they were a chosen people , or have you forgotten that .Zephyr said:
You spend your time defending Israels policies and on that particular thread you were attempting to downplay any Zionist ties , which I hasten to add , it was Zionists themselves who were approaching the Nazis . You masquerade on this forum defending immigrant rights , multiculturalism , religious tolerance and racial harmony within western societies . Yet such noble notions are left to the side when defending Israel’s mono-cultured , biased immigration legislation , religious intolerance and racism towards non-Jews .Zephyr said:
Well put your proof up ! Verses ! comments ! posts ! threads ! If I can easily hunt down your idiocy through a forum search then you should likewise be able to find these elusive anti-Jewish speil .Geoff P said:
Christ this is the fourth time , could someone please visit my earlier posts on this thread and see where I listed the stories from the links to other racist anti-immigrant sites , and go to the racist site Geoff linked go to those links and confirm these exist .Geoff P said:
No I have not , in every argument we have had you have petered out and disappeared , even to the extent where other posters actually intervene to say you haven’t posted any evidence ! Your behaviour on the blood libel debate was an indication of you being wholly incapable of any rational debate . You claimed the libel was a Moslem invention yet when clearly presented with the facts that it was a Christian event you tried to modified your debate to fit the new facts , thereby contradicting yourself.Geoff P said:
Well here is a chance to redeem yourself , find the verse in the Quran which states Moslems are indeed a chosen people of God , its as simple as that !Geoff P said:
hold on, geoff...ive got this one:
christian explanation of why christians are the "chosen people of g-d" :
http://www.preteristarchive.com/Preterism/dennis-todd_p_11.html
muslims stating that christians are the "chosen people of g-d" :
http://www.bci.org/islam-bahai/BestNations.htm
muslims stating that muslims are the "chosen people of g-d" :
http://www.answering-christianity.com/god_kingdom.htm ............. most notably:
"They became cursed, and GOD Almighty removed His Kingdom from them and gave it to another nation. That nation is non other than the "blessed" Muslims who came from the "blessed" Ishmael."
there you go, foley. now stop saying that noone else says it.
christian explanation of why christians are the "chosen people of g-d" :
http://www.preteristarchive.com/Preterism/dennis-todd_p_11.html
muslims stating that christians are the "chosen people of g-d" :
http://www.bci.org/islam-bahai/BestNations.htm
muslims stating that muslims are the "chosen people of g-d" :
http://www.answering-christianity.com/god_kingdom.htm ............. most notably:
"They became cursed, and GOD Almighty removed His Kingdom from them and gave it to another nation. That nation is non other than the "blessed" Muslims who came from the "blessed" Ishmael."
there you go, foley. now stop saying that noone else says it.
This wont take long .The Devil Inside said:
First up : The article is entitled " Who Are God's Chosen People? and the quoted verse :The Devil Inside said:
No a " chosen people " here .
Second up : Actually the only verse is the Quran stating that Jews are the chosen of God .The Devil Inside said:
the link is actually a Bahai faith link so i need not go any further .
Third up : This is not a quote from the Quran in fact it is the commentators notes at attempting to translate this passage from the bible:The Devil Inside said:
Look you obviously have no understanding of religious matters , this was completely and utterly obvious by your amateurish attempt . And explains why you could not enjoin the debate on the chosen people thraed .This quote from Zephyr is applicable to you .The Devil Inside said:
Now to the business at hand , seeing snapperhead above made a complete hash of it , ill cut you some slack . There are no other religions which state they are chosen people so its no point asking your feeble mind to prove it , so just show me the links in which you claim I have made anti-Jewish remarks which constiutute anti-Semitism . If you cant then say so .GeoffP said:
Brian Foley said:
wow..you ignore evidence that condradicts your claims!! what a surprise. anyone that reads the above links will come to the same conclusion as i: you are wrong.
i did not join the chosen people thread because it held no interest for me personally. i knew what the outcome would be: you would ignore everything that you didnt agree with. was i correct? sure was.
as for me having no understanding of religious matters: you may be correct in that i should learn more, but it has nothing to do with being wrong on this subject. if i have no understanding, then why am i being paid to research religion for the world religions department of the university of gent, in gent belgium?
seems you need to remove your blinders.
and, i would stop calling names if i were you.
Ask a Mormon. Unlike some people I don't like to go around bashing religions, and I can't yet find any pro-Mormon sites on this topic.Brian Foley said:
I wish Israel had this harmony of which you speak. And when have I said Israel doesn't need to be religiously tolerant? As for immigrants, if Mexican suicide bombers regularly attacked the U.S.A. then that would be a different matter. The situations aren't the same.Brian Foley said:
From a pro-Islam site - not the chosen, the best:Brian Foley said:
http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/arrogantpractising.htm
"I don't mean pride and arrogance in the conceited, hurtful sense. I mean pride and arrogance as in recognising and acting like what you are -- the best nation ever raised by Allah, for Allah says: You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong, and believe in Allah; and if the followers of the Book had believed it would have been better for them; of them (some) are believers and most of them are transgressors. (3:110)"
Besides which: do you care about how North Korea treats its own people? How China treats its own peope? How Serbia treats non-Serbs? Croatia treats Eastern Orthodox? How Egypt treats its people? Saudi Arabia? Iran? Syria? How Lebanon and Jordan treat Palestinian refugees? How your government treats Aborigines?
So far, all I've seen you complain about is Israel ... as if it's somehow worse than its neighbours. And your complaints have at times drifted into the realms of such utter fantasy, like 'Israel arrests anyone who protests the government's treatment of Palestinians' when anyone who had occasionally read, say, an online Israeli newspaper would know that journalists routinely criticise the government. Because unlike most of its neighbours, Israel has a free press.
I know Israel has its flaws. But you don't seem to care about improving the situation; you're just happy to wave these sentences around like a burning flag, regardless of their truth ... and then when I point out the flaws in your argument you accuse me of 'leaving noble notions to the side'? Such criticism I would take from someone like Ophiolite, but your track record just makes it hypocritical. Please sir, get the canoe out of your own eye before reaching for the splinter in mine!
Anyway, I've got various things to do, so if I'm around SF less the next while you'll know why. Don't get up to too much mischief.
So far, all I've seen you complain about is Israel ... as if it's somehow worse than its neighbours. And your complaints have at times drifted into the realms of such utter fantasy, like 'Israel arrests anyone who protests the government's treatment of Palestinians' when anyone who had occasionally read, say, an online Israeli newspaper would know that journalists routinely criticise the government. Because unlike most of its neighbours, Israel has a free press.
I know Israel has its flaws. But you don't seem to care about improving the situation; you're just happy to wave these sentences around like a burning flag, regardless of their truth ... and then when I point out the flaws in your argument you accuse me of 'leaving noble notions to the side'? Such criticism I would take from someone like Ophiolite, but your track record just makes it hypocritical. Please sir, get the canoe out of your own eye before reaching for the splinter in mine!
Anyway, I've got various things to do, so if I'm around SF less the next while you'll know why. Don't get up to too much mischief.
Buffalo Roam
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Now Foley is a theological expert? impressive resum'e, ROTFLMAO, Foley what arn't you the last word on?
dude, didnt you know that foley is THE expert on whatever he is talking about?
its quite impressive. he even knows enough about my personal life to try and criticize my aspirations!!
absolutely amazing.
its quite impressive. he even knows enough about my personal life to try and criticize my aspirations!!
absolutely amazing.
Brian Foley said:
And the implication is utterly clear: that Christians are the chosen people of God.
And, thus, AGAIN, that muslims are the inheritors of that choice.
Actually, you need, quite a bit, for the Bahai clearly get it and you clearly don't. Now why do you think they feel as they do?
Ugh. Ludicrous.
And represents an obvious and easy assumption that every commentator makes about the inheritance of that "chosenness".
Foley, it's painfully obvious that you know absolutely nothing about religion - Christian, Jewish and especially islamic. Why don't you pack it up and head on back to StormFront?
Done and won.
Geoff
Zephyr said:
Ooh! Nails in the coffin, that is. I confess I'd forgotten about 3: 110. It would be good to point out here as well that standard islamic theology considers the ancient Jews (who were presumably alive during the OT) as muslims, and that 'modern' Jews as idolators etc. that have strayed from the true faith. Ergo, that "best of nations" refers to muslims.
Foley's done.
Geoff