Hand Guns - Yes or No

Hand Guns Are Needed (by me or others)


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Any moderately-trained and conditioned weapon wielder owns your supposedly superior male ballet dancers. It's not up for debate, it's a fukn fact. Wake up, you idealist :)

I disagree. If you were within 12 feet of any trained martial artist, when you tried to draw, you'd wake up and wonder where your gun went. I've practised this, and annoyingly, even though I fancy myself as a bit of a marksman, my Kung Fu instructor friend can disarm me every time, as I can him.

If you just went for the show, like TW Scott claims he has done many times, that's a very bad idea. It provokes a response, that he wasn't even preparing to draw and counter.

Go buy yourself a rubber gun from a martial arts store, stick it in your holster, and practice. See for yourself.

So it comes down to range, and when you let the paranoia that you are in danger kick in. You have to keep your gun advantage, which is range, and not let anyone within about 18feet of you, and never let them be behind you.
That said, you'd better move to Montana, 'cos that's one of the few places you are never going to feel crowded.
 
I disagree. If you were within 12 feet of any trained martial artist, when you tried to draw, you'd wake up and wonder where your gun went.

So what? How many people who assault innocent people are freakin' kumfu experts? Geez!

You have to keep your gun advantage, which is range, and not let anyone within about 18feet of you, ....

Oh, geez. Now you've got us all scared and nervous that all criminals are kumfu experts? What would you suggest ....that we just start spraying bullets at anyone that gets within kumfu range?? ...LOL!

Can't figure out a good way of keeping guns outta' the hands of criminals, so now you've magically given all criminals kumfu training to show that our guns are useless against criminals, so we still should give 'em up, huh? ...LOL!

Baron Max
 
Well, that's it Baron... they have us cornered: since most people can't draw from concealed carry if their assailant is within x number of feet, we should just give up on the idea of having a proper means of self-defense.

Everybody was Kung-Fu fighting.... HAH!

Yeah, by the way: a lot of the so-called examples of what you mentioned involves the gunman staying in one position. Gee, I wonder what would happen if he was allowed to move away while drawing? Guarantee ya that all I would need is to pull it out a few centimeters, at which point it rotates in your general direction as I finger-fuck the trigger. Point blank would still be good enough for me.

In any case, that's seriously minor nitpicking on your part.
 
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I disagree. If you were within 12 feet of any trained martial artist, when you tried to draw, you'd wake up and wonder where your gun went. I've practised this, and annoyingly, even though I fancy myself as a bit of a marksman, my Kung Fu instructor friend can disarm me every time, as I can him.

If you just went for the show, like TW Scott claims he has done many times, that's a very bad idea. It provokes a response, that he wasn't even preparing to draw and counter.

Go buy yourself a rubber gun from a martial arts store, stick it in your holster, and practice. See for yourself.

So it comes down to range, and when you let the paranoia that you are in danger kick in. You have to keep your gun advantage, which is range, and not let anyone within about 18feet of you, and never let them be behind you.
That said, you'd better move to Montana, 'cos that's one of the few places you are never going to feel crowded.

I agree that it is possible for a martial artist (not even quite expert) to move in on someone with their gun holstered and disarm him. But, I'll also agree that myself (with limited martial arts training who CAN pull off a couple of disarming moves in a training situation on a mat) will by all means be on the lookout for such moves.

Besides, the defense is quite simple... you simply match the assailant's speed as he approaches you and move backwards. If he moves left, you move right... any marginally trained martial artist knows that much - you either stay out of range or move inside. Hell, even if the assailant is faster it will still work - if I can move half as fast as he, that turns the 12 feet into 18 feet of distance, giving me ample time.

Oh sure, it all looks pretty when you're on a mat in your gi, a holstered rubber gun, standing exactly 12 feet apart, squared off in a high-noon showdown situation - but in real life circumstances are not so ideal. No one is going to come within 12 feet of my wife, kids and I in a parking lot, sidewalk, etc. without me being on the defensive and having my hand on the grips... unless we're in a Bank/Mall/Wal-mart robbery situation, in which case I'll cooperate and lay on the floor.

Add to the equation these facts:
1) 15 little hollowpoint friends are ready to go - I'm a practiced point shooter and a fast draw.

2) My pistol is concealed, so he will not even know that he's going to have to disarm it from me. It's not like I'm going to square off with him and warn him that I'm about to draw.

3) Criminals typically do not go after the guy wearing the pistol on his belt. They go after the easy victim, just like in the wild... the lioness will go after the weakest or slowest of the herd, not the big bull.

4) The majority of people who have the perseverence and dedication to excel in martial arts training to the point in which you speak are more likely to have done other successful things with their lives. They are not the typical criminal element.
 
Interesting article, the confusing thing is why he didn't just kick down the guy instead of killing him. I'm not sure it makes alot of sense to go around hurting others just because of a brawl.

In any event I can see it now "Get off that officer" (approaches with left foot, steps back, smiles, shoots) meanawhile thug "What's that, is someone yelling, ehh screw them I am not going back to jail for a ticket I'll beat this cop then get outta here".

LOL

Do a little research into the facts of the situation and persons involved (try Google or the sources of the article I linked to in <a href="http://members.cox.net/renegade_sith/2006/02/armed-citizen-saves-day.html">my blog entry</a>).

The facts are:

1) The shooter is a 50-year-old man with a neck injury and was wearing a neck brace at the time of the shooting.

2) The shooting "victim" was a young, muscular black man with a history in boxing. The man has the ability to take down a trained police officer (evident by the fact of him having the officer pinned down and the officer was yelling for help) - are you going to walk up and kick him?

3) The officer and thug were wrestling with the officer's gun and the thug had already taken one shot in the stomach from the officer's gun during the altercation.

Any other questions?

Please visit <a href="http://members.cox.net/renegade_sith/">Renegade's BS</a>
 
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No they are not. Non combat martial arts are techniques for improving balance, movement, and overall body. Sort of like gymnastics, but involving other techniques.

It is not about violence, but the inevitability of more advanced superior humans to outlast more primitive minded violent humans. No matter how many guns the prims have, the more highly evolved pacifist human will outlast them.

They will all be killed off promptly. From a distance. As soon as the inferiorites sense a threat, they will lash out with the same destructive force that gave your power company the land and resources they need to make your computer run and download all that copyrighted Japanese cartoon erotica you hold so dear. None of that DragonBallZ shit could possibly save them, though.
 
I voted no because guns are not "needed" for practical living. However, it is a good idea to have a gun for defense.
 
He understands that citizen ownership of firearms is a plus. Before I assume too much about why he made that selection, I would like to hear more from him though...
 
They will all be killed off promptly. From a distance. As soon as the inferiorites sense a threat, they will lash out with the same destructive force that gave your power company the land and resources they need to make your computer run and download all that copyrighted Japanese cartoon erotica you hold so dear. None of that DragonBallZ shit could possibly save them, though.
Wrong.

Human nature is such that violent and criminal-minded people will walk alongside you
Wrong. That is primitive nature that will inevitably be replaced by superior nonviolent high intellect humans.

The less evolved the human, the more primitive their characteristics. Violence is a primitive characteristic. Higher evolved humans do not partake in violent activities, have no need for guns, and survive over primitves with guns. The higher evolved human is the fittest. The primitive minded I am refering to are those that like guns, and believe violence may be an option. Their intellect is incapable of understanding that nonviolent actions are not just available, they are more practical means of influence.
 
Your rhetoric has no grounding in reality, lix. Try to stay focused on the real world...
 
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